Re: Considering standard of living (was Re: Land of let's only talk about whats wrong with the US)

From: Mark Walker (mark@permanentend.org)
Date: Sat Aug 23 2003 - 13:29:10 MDT

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    > I would like to see someone cite some Google references on the actual
    > land area required to produce 2500 calories per day. (There seems
    > to be a lot of hand waving going on here).
    >

    To coin a phrase: it depends. It just so happens that we were discussing
    something tangentially related to this across the street at wta-talk. Here's
    the relevant part:

    Is it possible to "close the loop" within
    the confines of a city. By this I mean grow all the food for the city
    residents and recycle all human waste. Here's my back of the envelope
    calculations to say
    that this might be possible: Take central Toronto as an example of a densely
    populated "modern" city.

    Land area per person = 264 m2 (density of 3,788 per km2).
    (http://www.demographia.com/db-toronto-ward.htm )

    Food can be grown by using an aquaponic set-up. Aquaponics uses fish waste
    to grow plant matter, and growing plants to clean the fish water. Based on
    research (both theoretical and practical see www.permanentend.org ) it is
    possible to grow enough food for a person in a space that is 6m2. So for a
    single person you might have a 2000 liter pond filled with about 100kg of
    carp or tilapia. Water from the pond is used to irrigate plants grown
    hydroponically above the fish pond. The hydroponic beds are made of crushed
    stone--no soil is used in the system. The energy for this sort of system is
    quite minimal--the pumps use about 40/watt hr per person, which could easily
    be supplied by solar or wind energy. This handles the inputs, our food, what
    about the outputs? Based on calculations from
    http://www.prismusa.homestead.com/files/Duckweed.htm (see for derivation
    http://www.permanentend.org/home.html under resources) a 3m2 pond should be
    sufficiently large to
    process the waste of a single human. The idea would be to grow duckweed in
    these ponds, dry
    it, and then feed it to the carp closing the loop. Waste water that is
    processed with duckweed is far cleaner than what comes out of modern sewage
    plants. In fact the water is drinkable if you run it through a uv
    sterilizer.

    Bottom line then is that an optimistic figure of 9m2 per person to process
    all food and waste. (Of course I'm not suggesting that everyone ought to
    grow their own food--aquaponics lends itself to the division of labor and
    automation even more so than traditional agriculture).

    Of course this figure is optimistic in someways, e.g., even under glass (or
    plastic) growth would be seasonal (without enormous external energy inputs)
    in some cities like Toronto.
    This could in part be ameliorated by increasing the size of food and waste
    facilities and grow more in the warmer seasons. So even if the calculations
    are optimistic by an order of magnitude it would still be possible for
    Toronto to grow its own food and process its own waste in a closed loop
    within the confines of its present geography. Obviously this would require
    redesigning the city, e.g., houses might be built with roofs capable of
    supporting an aquaponic facility. Roadways might be covered with a canopy to
    allow sewage ponds on top to grow duckweed, etc.

    As far as I can see, there is no principled biological or engineering reason
    why such a city could not be built, really what we lack is the political
    will.

    Cheers,

    Mark

    Mark Walker, PhD
    Research Associate, Philosophy, Trinity College
    University of Toronto
    Room 214 Gerald Larkin Building
    15 Devonshire Place
    Toronto
    M5S 1H8
    www.permanentend.org



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