Re: Land of let's only talk about whats wrong with the US

From: Kevin Freels (megaquark@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Aug 21 2003 - 00:58:16 MDT

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    Isn't it odd that everyone loves to complain about the "evil" U.S, but when
    something bad happens they always come to US for help?

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "matus" <matus@matus1976.com>
    To: <extropians@extropy.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:34 PM
    Subject: RE: Land of let's only talk about whats wrong with the US

    > Max M wrote:
    > >
    > > But what many of you americans seem to not understand is that we
    > > non-americans most often *really* like USA despite it's many
    > > faults. But
    > > that will not stop us from mentioning the faults.
    >
    > I do realize that, but what you who mention only faults don't realize is
    > that you are indistinguishable from the chomskyite
    > everything-the-US-has-done-is-absolutely-evil kind of person. When you
    > hear nothing but criticisms, what evidence do we have to suggest that
    > you have anything to say other than criticisms?
    >
    > Regardless, and just to clear this up, I think many of the complaints
    > waged against the US govt are valid. I would most accurately be
    > considered a minarchist libertarian, so I obviously oppose liberal
    > paternalism and socialism, and conservative lack of respect for
    > individual freedoms. Additionally, I oppose the war on drugs and
    > incarceration perpetrators of victimless crimes. The occurrence and
    > presence of these things really bothers me, but so do the atrocities
    > that occur in other countries, which are often far far worse.
    >
    > As far as free countries go, I consider most of the post-industrialized
    > west close enough to not really be worth troubling myself over the
    > differences while other egregious differences are present in the
    > industrial and pre-industrial countries of the world. If I could live
    > anywhere I wanted, Id probably first pick Hong Kong (but would end up
    > moving soon as the Chinese took control again) second would be a close
    > runner up between the US and Australia.
    >
    > > That being said, I too found Damiens posting a bit
    > > "insensitive" in the
    > > light of the recent developments on the list.
    >
    > I didn't find it 'insensitive' per se, just wanted to put perspective on
    > it relative to other world atrocities. I found it very interesting that
    > the article was judging the incarceration rates of populations of the
    > world. Interesting, I thought, I wonder how they got accurate data from
    > notoriously closed and oppressive societies? If they were saying the US
    > has the highest incarceration rate in the world, surely they actually
    > looked at the rest of the world.
    >
    > Upon further investigation, that was obviously not the case. As noted,
    > Iraq, Afghanistan, Burma, East Timor, North Korea etc. for a total of 17
    > countries had NO data present to compare. Yet the CS Monitor did not
    > find this noteworthy enough to even mention in their article. It should
    > have read "US has highest incarceration rate of the countries who would
    > tell us theirs, the notoriously worse countries incarceration rates are
    > unknown"
    >
    > Michael Dickey
    >
    >



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