RE: FWD [forteana] Health Care: USA, Iraq & Canada

From: Lee Corbin (lcorbin@tsoft.com)
Date: Sun Aug 10 2003 - 10:30:41 MDT

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    Samantha writes

    > > [Rafal wrote:]
    > >
    > > > ### Of course, those Americans who refuse to work, under the pretext of
    > > > being "unemployed", will not be able to purchase more than they manage to
    > > > squeeze from taxpayers in "benefits".
    >
    > Pretext???? It is no "pretext" for an awful lot of people right now.
    > "Squeeze from taxpayers"??? The unemployed paid the unemployment taxes while
    > they were working! I have paid mine up for an awful lot of years, far more
    > than I could possibly consume if unemployed these days.
    >
    > Are we having funny slapping around hard-assed positions without due
    > consideration?

    No, Samantha, all these positions---on each side---are being
    carefully considered by some people on each side. Your
    invective is wasted ;-)

    Yes, for many people, Rafal used exactly the right word: pretext.
    For many others, of course, that is not the right word. So read
    his sentence carefully before firing back.

    You wrote

    > The unemployed paid the unemployment taxes while
    > they were working!

    Yes, but they had no *choice*. For many, like you, had they
    had the freedom to invest that money, and did so, they would
    be vastly better off. But "freedom" is not a high consideration
    in many socialist mind-sets.

    > I have paid mine up for an awful lot of years, far more
    > than I could possibly consume if unemployed these days.

    Well, if you STAYED unemployed long enough, you obviously
    could. See how the incentives are wrecked? Right now, the
    money is not legally yours. So if you were unemployed, it
    would be either use it or lose it. So the unemployed have
    diminished incentive to look for work until it runs out.

    Yet I do not see the other side actually grapple with the
    logic my side throw out. How often do those on your side
    actually use the word "incentive"?

    Lee



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