RE: Thinking the unthinkable: taboos and transhumanism

From: Lee Corbin (lcorbin@tsoft.com)
Date: Fri Aug 08 2003 - 18:54:47 MDT

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    Anders writes a nice piece in reference to an article
    that I haven't read, but which is attempting to get
    the "rational" meme (which can tolerate "trade-offs")
    out to the public.

    This is correct, in my opinion. In some ways it's
    close to "adult thinking" vs. "child thinking".
    A symptom of child-thinking is that it does not want
    to entertain unpleasant trade-offs. That's left to
    the adults. Now that---as Anders explained---is not
    the whole story.

    But it's possible that we need to see deeper into the
    problem in the following way. This also dovetails with
    our recent discussions.

    In my opinion, one aspect that we need to look at is
    our *own* urge to break icons. I wrote an essay not
    long ago called "What Happened to all the Iconoclasts?",
    but did not post it.

        Back in the 1950's the world seemed to be swimming
        with iconoclasts. Probably few knew what the word
        meant (I did not), but one could tell that whatever
        they were, there were plenty of them.

        The word, though not the urge, has gone out of fashion.
        This list has lots of them, of course. I want to
        speak about all of us who perhaps as good Bayesians
        should want to correct for this urge that we have
        to break icons.

        Does anyone really believe that Robin Hanson does not,
        in some tiny recess of his mind, enjoy tweaking
        conventional tastes by proposing something that is
        quite logical, but simultaneously outrageous to usual
        tastes? Does anyone here think that those of us very
        in love with the idea of cloning aren't also---just a
        wee bit---enjoying the avant garde feeling of endorsing
        an aspect of the provocative future?

        This urge is certainly at least as old as the chariots.
        In complete defiance of all the wizened, hardened older
        experienced warriors, someone had to think that by
        teaming up a pair of horses to a cart holding two riders
        ---one who drove and one who shot arrows from a semi-
        stable platform as fast as he could---a fiendish new
        weapon of war could be produced?

        (Do I not at this very moment enjoy---just a wee bit---
        presenting an example aggravating to the instincts of
        any crypto-pacifists on this list?)

        Yes, we *should* exult in the novel, along with all true
        SF writers, part of whose theme in the trade is to
        shock. We should indeed be held only in check---in
        this medium---by logic and reason, and otherwise
        truly enjoy wherever our imaginations take us.

        But, as I asked earlier, do we not need to correct
        for this impulse, and at least try to compensate for
        our sheer enjoyment of the novelty of singularities,
        uploading, terrorist futures, cryonics, and so on?

        (P.S. to try to answer my own question, Yes, if we
        wish to be only Bayesian truth seekers, but no, if
        we wish to remain human and favor the side all our
        instincts and reason assure us is right.)

    Lee



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