Re: Being Extropic

From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Aug 04 2003 - 13:10:52 MDT

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    --- Giu1i0 Pri5c0 <gpmap@runbox.com> wrote:
    > Mike, please correct me if I am wrong. From your text I infer that
    > the majority of issues that you consider really important, are those
    > related to whether or not you can carry a gun.
    > I did not change the title because I do not want to start a new gun
    > thread, but I find difficult to understand why you and many others
    > make a big issue of this.
    > If I had to spend time in a really dangerous place, and if no other
    > kind of protection is in place, of course I would wish to carry a
    > gun, perhaps even if this is not allowed by the law. But the meaning
    > I attribute to this sentence is not different from the meaning I
    > attribute to "If I had to spend time in a place where it is raining,
    > and if no other kind of protection is in place, of course I would
    > wish to carry a umbrella, perhaps even if this is not allowed by the
    > law". I do not consider umbrellas and guns as defining aspects of my
    > worldview.

    Nor do I. I consider gun ownership to be a decisive litmus test of any
    political jurisdiction's dedication to individual liberty and trust of
    the individual. Either you trust your fellow citizen with the power of
    life and death or you don't. If you do trust them, then you trust them
    with all other sorts of political rights. If you don't, then you don't
    really trust your fellow man, do you? All the other "rights" are really
    priviledges that may be disallowed based on future events or
    prejudices, simply because if the state is the only entity with
    weapons, then it can impose whatever it wants on its serfs, er, I mean
    "citizens".

    Trust IS the defining aspect of my worldview, and that of a number of
    other extropians. I trust those that trust me. I don't trust those that
    don't trust me. I therefore separate the world into two types of
    people, groups, and governments: those that trust me and those that do
    not. Those that do not trust me are enemies, opponents, adversaries who
    I am implacably against, or else ininformed, uneducated, ignorant
    innocents who may become informed, educated, and aware allies of mine.

    As it happens, I live in a very safe place today. New Hampshire has one
    of the lowest crime rates in the entire world, and the lowest in the
    entire US. It also has one of the highest rates of gun ownership, if
    not the highest rate in the world, and is one of the freest in allowing
    its citizens to carry and use their firearms.

    I know that the reason NH enjoys the former situation is specifically
    because it guarantees the latter situation.

    ANY society has a choice to make with its laws: either impose a police
    state, or allow the citizens to police themselves to some greater or
    lesser degree. It has been conclusively demonstrated that the more
    citizens can police themselves, via CCW laws or other mechanisms, the
    lower crime rates are (not just violent crime).

    While there are many other nations besides the US that have lower
    violent crime rates (nor is the US homogenous legally, most crime here
    is in low-trust areas) such nations typically enjoy a far greater
    degree of ethnic homogeneity. None of these nations, however, has a
    lower property crime rate than the US. Instead, many prosecute property
    owners for defending themselves and their property against criminals.

    European nations do not allow the populace to police itself. Weapons
    ownership is banned or highly restricted, and yet there is much illegal
    weapons based crime. Individuals are restricted from protecting their
    property, consequently property crime is generally five times higher
    than in the US.

    An individual person in the world today is at far greater risk of being
    victimized by crime, and more likely property crime, than terrorism.
    For this reason, I feel safe today, here in NH.

    Here in New Hampshire, both our violent AND property crime rates are
    lower than any european nation. I feel very safe here.

    =====
    Mike Lorrey
    "Live Free or Die, Death is not the Worst of Evils."
                                                        - Gen. John Stark
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