Re: Being Extropic

From: Brett Paatsch (bpaatsch@bigpond.net.au)
Date: Mon Aug 04 2003 - 01:43:49 MDT

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    Emlyn O'regan writes:

    > How about a poll...
    >
    > Who on the list personally knows someone affected by
    > terrorism. Personal acquaintances as maximum distance,
    > no friends of friends please.

    I think I saw people on this list affected by terrorism. I think
    I saw rational intelligent people retreat in the face of hard
    choices to polemic positions that I would have thought and
    hoped that they would not do.

    I saw it become nearly impossible to have a discourse on
    foreign policy, international law or the lack of it and the
    state of its emergence as poeple for the most part
    *seemed* to retreat to emotional prejudices.

    > More subjective: would you rate yourself now (hopefully
    > based on some kind of quasi-empirical guestimate, at least)
    > as more or less safe than you were 10 years ago? 20 years
    > ago? What are the major threats to your continued existence
    > lifestyle? How about 10 years into the future?

    This is a good stock taking question.

    Ten and twenty years ago I was 26 and 16 respectively.
    I then knew considerably less than I know now but had
    more time than I have now to learn and to try and find ways
    to as Voltaire said cultivate our garden, using humanism or
    variants of it as an applied philosophy.

    I think my level of personal optimism peaked around
    1999/2000 when Dolly was cloned, the human genome
    was racing along, Thomson and Gearheart had isolated
    human embryonic stem cells. I was aware that books
    like Damien Brodericks Last Mortal generation were
    seeping into the social and cultural groundwater and
    I was discovering to my delight the power of the internet
    and the range of kindred spirits or thinkers of likemind
    exploring such issues as cryonics, uploading, biotechnology,
    ethics etc. It seemed then that the world had grown up
    and the time and opportunity for serious change had never
    been better.

    Then Bush won the presidency and put embryonic stem
    cell research (which we need for basic understanding of life)
    in concrete and did his best to sink it. Bush then went on to
    attack that weak emerging thing that was international law,
    not because in my view he is an evil man, but because in my
    view he is an idiot elected by a complacent electorate that
    took its eye off the ball and forgot that great damage could
    be done to a great country by putting so much power in the
    hands of such a nitwit.

    In short Bush was never capable of competently flying the
    plane that is the United States of America. I think he has
    through incompetence rather than malice sold the US best
    interests down the river. He has planted the seeds of
    terrorism at the same time as he professed to be trying to
    crack down on it.

    I have also learned how little we actually know. The human
    genome project is important and empowering stuff. But we
    are only just beginning to get that it is not genomics but
    epigenomics that matters and epigenomics is to a substantial
    degree hamstrung by policies that make it incredibly difficult
    to conduct the sort of basic research that is needed to
    understand human embryology.

    On the patents front, biotech has raced into a quagmire from
    which it will no doubt emerge but not before considerable
    time and effort is wasted getting policies straight that in my
    naivety I would have hoped could have been straighten out
    much more quickly.

    I have learned somewhat saddly that things take far longer
    than I imagined that they would need to and that the reason
    that this is so is that we are far less wise in the areas that
    matter than we often give ourselves credit for.

    I have also learnt that we know far less about the human
    nervous system that I thought that we did and that as a
    consequence progress on the cybernetics front, on AI
    and on uploading and the plausibility of cryonics is likely
    to take longer than I would have hoped.

    Perhaps for me one of the biggest disappointments was
    that politicians like Bush and Blair and Howard could
    bullshit so categorically to their own electorates and the
    own electorates for the most part would swallow
    without chewing. There was plenty of opportunity before
    hand for smarter constituents to hold their elected leaders
    to account and yet they failed to do so. I feel like I have
    witnessed first hand vast numbers of intelligent people
    buy a line of BS that is little more sophisticated that that
    peddled in such Hollywood movies as "Wag the dog"
    and then even when as was the case with Australian Prime
    Minister Howard people came to the view that they had
    been either intentionally mislead (around 37%) or un-
    intentionally mislead (around a third -by Howard doing
    to little thinking and too much believing) these same
    constituents thought so little of the crock that was
    perpetrated in a so called representative democracy that
    they said they'd probably go ahead and vote for him
    again anyway.

    I am not a religious person, but on the matter of the
    Iraq war, it is my feeling that the quality of debate and
    the lack of critical thinking that prevailed even in circles
    where I though critical thinking was estemed, was of
    such a low standard that I began to wonder if this generation
    was too stupid to deserve to be the last mortal generation.

    In 10 years. We will I hope have substantially increased
    our understanding of human developmental processses,
    of epigenetics, and we will be able (if we are very lucky
    or far more politically astute) to produce far better maps
    of the human neural system which in turn will prompt better
    research and development in cybernetics make cryonics
    and uploading considertably lesser leaps of faith than
    they are now. In 10 years Bush will be gone but will the
    damage he did the UN and the cause of international
    law have been undone? I don't know. I doubt it.

    In 10 years the issues of intellectual property will have
    largely been sorted out. The public policy aspects are
    not that complicated. It should be able to reconfigure
    systems such that in order to have flow through benefits
    of technologies to end users it is not necessary to negotiate
     with a myriad of stake holder all of whom can bog down
    the process and set themselves up as toll gate holders on
    the road to progress.

    In 10 years we will be seeing whether through ham fisted
    idiotic approaches to foreign policy the Bush government
    may have freed the US from having to play nice with such
    regimes as the Saudis.

    And in 10 years an entire new batch of medicines will have
    made their way through clinical trials and be available on
    the market.

    Important questions such as what is the nature and moral
    weighting of a person will still be being discussed but they
    will be being discussed by nearly everyone. That much, that
    that conversation *will* take place stands as an achievement
    of note. And the Kass's and the Fukayamas will find
    themselves arguing increasingly bizaree esoteric points with a
    new generation of thinkers who will have come to maturity
    in a world where the inevitability of death or at least the
    possibility of radically extended life will not have been radical
    but will have been common place. And this new generalition
    will, I suspect eat the specious deathist arguments of such
    crusty old farts as Kass for breakfast.

    Self interest and clear thinking will, baring some major
    policy fuck ups of Bushesque proportions (and he only
    gets one more go at the presidency at worst) bring this
    new generation of thinkers hard onto the fallacies and
    specious arguments of Kass etc.

    Ironically, the last few years, especially the experience of
    watching societies reaction to their elected leaders statements
    around the Iraq war has left me with a sense that is heavily
    reminiscent of the bible story of the Israelites in the desert.
    They were too jaded to get to see the promised land
    themselves. But their children born in the desert and having
    never known the constraints of slavery were able to push
    forward and conquer the promised land. I suspect it may
    be so with us. I hope it is not so. I still hope that we may
    lift our game.

    I hope this generation, my generation, can lift its game,
    because currently we are getting the cruddly leadership
    (Bush, Blair, Howard) that we deserve.

    And I think we are in serious danger of 'believing'
    ourselves uncritically to death.

    Brett Paatsch

    [Sometime I try and write thoughtfully and sometime
    I rant in a manner akin to whinging to friends - this
    post is in the nature of the second ]



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