Re: Why Not Expand? (was Fermi "Paradox")

From: Samantha Atkins (samantha@objectent.com)
Date: Mon Aug 04 2003 - 01:22:32 MDT

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    On Sunday 03 August 2003 19:00, Lee Corbin wrote:

    >
    > And just why aren't they using the energy available in our solar system?
    >

    Because we are here and they are more ethical than we seem to be.

    > > Even the idea of boundless physical expansion, while possessing
    > > a certain mathematical symmetry, I think is based on our evolved
    > > drive for procreation and won't match posthuman values.
    >
    > Yes, perhaps there is some sort of instinct to "breed abundantly
    > in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply on the earth" that
    > evolved. But why should that be inimical to our posthuman values?
    >

    Because it is a silly program to extend indefinitely.

    > For one thing, is not appealing to bring life to the outer reaches
    > of the universe? Why should matter not be rescued from its currently
    > dead state almost everywhere?
    >

    Do you honestly believe that we are the only life, on this one itty-bitty
    planet, in all the universe?

    > But an even stronger argument is this: it takes only *one* posthuman
    > civilization---or perhaps only one sufficiently advanced posthuman---
    > to colonize the rest of the universe. Why is it so alluring to so
    > many people to imagine that somehow all posthuman value systems will
    > universally turn up their noses at this? Especially when the ends
    > are so noble?

    I don't agree the ends are so noble. They may well be a simplistic extension
    of our current drives and understanding. Since it is nearly inconceivable
    that we are the *only* planet with intelligent life in the entire universe,
    and since there are no apparent colonization efforts here, we are left with
    the less impossible thing being that some/all existing posthuman
    civilizations do not have this goal and that either we are uninteresting,
    espensive to consume or protected from any posthuman civs that are that
    exansionistic.

    - samantha



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