Genocide sucks

From: Emlyn O'regan (oregan.emlyn@healthsolve.com.au)
Date: Wed Jul 30 2003 - 23:51:33 MDT

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    Genocide (n): The systematic and planned extermination of an entire
    national, racial, political, or ethnic group.

    The various defenses of the discussion of genocide are based on arguments
    resembing "we must consider all things, even awful things". That is well and
    good, but these discussions suck, for a reason to which I will come shortly.

    First, though, we really should put the damned issue to bed. So, here is why
    genocide is an hopeless solution to pretty much any problem.

    To argue about it, I must use a set of values or principles for axioms. I'm
    choosing the extropian principles for this purpose, mainly because they are
    nice and explicit, and really should resonate with list members.

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    Perpetual Progress -- Indiscriminately killing large numbers of sentients
    just can't be good for progress; it could only be neutral at best. Taking
    away minds can't add. (note: I say *indiscriminate* because choosing
    geography, race, politics or ethnicity as a determinant is so crude that I
    assert it is equivalent to random selection)

    Self-Transformation -- Genocide can't help here, as far as I can see. It
    tends to interfere with the self transformation desires of the exterminated,
    too (except in the case of the already suicidal I guess).

    Practical Optimism -- Genocide is pretty much the opposite of practical
    optimism. Indiscriminate extermination (even in the hopes of catching a few
    baddies amongst the masses) is more like paranoid pessimism.

    Intelligent Technology -- This principle is about using technology in
    lateral and creative ways to enhance our goals. Genocide is like killing
    germs with a sledgehammer. Painful, doomed to fail, and stupid. I guess it
    can involve the use of fairly sophisticated technology, though.

    Open Society -- Committing genocide would seem to require a centralisation
    of power that is the opposite of this principle. Further, large centralised
    action to exterminate others is a large part of what open societies were
    created to prevent.

    Self-Direction -- Mega murder, hello? When considering the exterminated,
    most or all of whom are effectively a random sampling of the set of
    sentients (see above), self-direction is being rather rudely interrupted,
    excepting again for the suicidal.

    Rational Thinking -- Only extremely contrived examples could make genocide
    ever look rational. "Thought experiments" like "How about if there were
    zillions of insane aliens like the ones from the movie "Aliens" who want to
    come and eat us all?". If you look closer, these aren't usually examples of
    genocide, they are examples of war; people that attack you are combatants.
    Genocide, OTOH, is about indiscriminate large scale slaughter. It implies
    massively superior power of the inflictor over the exterminated (of
    course!). Any examples purporting to show justifiable genocide must include
    this position. Also, inclusion of time travel is a no-no, for obvious
    reasons. The position that one genocide might be inflicted to stop another
    worse genocide from occuring is possible, but the burden of proof *must* be
    on the proposer of genocide; this is not a realm where back of the envelope
    calculations can be used for justification. Predicted future genocide just
    doesn't rate anywhere near the same as a real, right now, existing kind of
    genocide.

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    On the whole, I think it's very clear that genocide and extropianism map
    over distinct, wildly distant areas of the space of thought. Policy analysis
    markets, there's an idea worthy of extropians. Using nuclear weapons? Forget
    it.

    Compared to genocide, even eugenics looks good. Neither work as solutions to
    anything, and they both cause spectacular problems, but at least eugenics is
    a little more subtle (like hitting someone with a brick is more subtle than
    hitting them with a rock). We reject eugenics fully, so why would we
    consider its retarted cousin, genocide?

    So why do I think that genocide sucks? It sucks because it's the stupid
    person's solution. "Kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out" is just dumb. It
    violates all our principles, it makes us look *terrible* to outsiders (and
    to ourselves!), it solves nothing, it screws up everything. Any organisation
    which could commit genocide on others has no individualist ethic and so can
    only be enemy number one for extropians.

    I think that genocide is probably not defensible in most other consistent
    value frameworks either. For instance, take the patently non-extropian (or
    at least entirely in conflict with the principles) idea that we maximise
    complexity in the universe. It would be extremely difficult to show that
    indiscriminate killing of vast numbers of sentients could increase
    complexity over the long term, compared to what would have occured in the
    absence of the killing (remember to take the social/psychological effects
    into account, this is a _complex_ system you are dealing with). However, it
    is abundantly clear that genocide will decrease complexity considerably, by
    removing large numbers of minds from existence.

    This is a stupid email to have to write. Genocide sucks. We have the whole
    space of wonderful, complex extropian ideas to play in; can we drop this
    moronic crap?

    Emlyn



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