Re: thinking about the unthinkable

From: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky (sentience@pobox.com)
Date: Mon Jul 28 2003 - 22:27:59 MDT

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    Damien Broderick wrote:
    >
    > But of course, as I believe Robert understands, my comments were not meant
    > as `character assassination' or personal abuse. It's a general point, and
    > sadly one that has to be repeated from time to time on this list of INTJs.
    > I approve of Lee Corbin's dislike of censorship, but he doesn't seem to
    > understand that what I (and some others, I think) were complaining about
    > wasn't the *voicing* of that detestable genocidal notion, but it's *being
    > considered as a rational option in the first place*. Lee will be appalled
    > at my saying that, of course, as if I were proposing `thought policing' or
    > `thought death'. But Lee and Robert don't seem to realize how pathological
    > and unsustainable life would be (how Colombian, perhaps) if we routinely
    > and `rationally' considered killing everyone we're frightened of or who
    > gets in the way of what we, in our partial ignorance, estimate might be the
    > optimal way forward for humankind.

    Verbal thought is not the same as rational thought. Rather, it is a
    particular kind of heavily abstract chain of deliberative statements,
    often divorced from the intuitions that usually guide it. Abstract verbal
    reasoning is only *more rational* if it *actually works better* - remember
    that at the heart of all this is Bayes' Theorem, which makes no mention of
    where the cognition is carried out. If you are going to discuss genocide
    'rationally' rather than 'instinctively' - and that should always be in
    quote marks - then you had better know the evolutionary psychology and
    game theory and everything else that lies behind those instincts, the
    reason why the instincts are there in the first place, why the ethical
    instincts are if anything far too *weak* rather than the other way around.
      If you don't understand the evolutionary psychology of genocide, the
    game theory of cooperation, the ethics of deep uncertainty about the
    future, the historical outcomes of similar proposals, then all you are
    doing by reasoning 'rationally' (verbally) is taking the safety catch off
    a deadly gun. I see no reason why someone who starts reasoning verbally,
    and ignorantly, about genocide under the banner of 'rationality', should
    be thought of any differently from someone who advocates genocide with
    passionate hatred under the Romantic banner of 'honest feeling'. Yes, it
    is possible to discuss genocide rationally, and whaddaya know, when you
    discuss it rationally, in full knowledge of all the forces at play, it
    turns out to be a more horrifying idea than mere emotional revulsion would
    suggest. I don't see rationality at work here. I see an emotional
    disconnect combined with historical, psychological, evolutionary,
    game-theoretical, and decision-theoretical ethical ignorance. Yes, there
    is a verbal explanation, and it is a critical thing to learn. But if you
    don't know it, you'd better not try and switch off your emotions until you do.

    -- 
    Eliezer S. Yudkowsky                          http://singinst.org/
    Research Fellow, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
    


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