Cooperation between All Transhumanist Organizations (Was Re: ExI/WTA)

From: Natasha Vita-More (natasha@natasha.cc)
Date: Thu Jul 10 2003 - 16:07:17 MDT

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    At 08:12 PM 7/10/03 +0200, Gui wrote:

    >Now, this is an interesting discussion. I often wonder how a movement so
    small in absolute numbers >can afford fragmentation, and whether
    consolidating (joining forces) would make more sense. It is >difficult to
    characterize differences between ExI and WTA without using politically
    overcharged words >(which can upset some people).

    I cannot speak for Foresight or any other organization, however from ExI's
    stance, there is not a tendency to use politically overcharged words when
    referring to any other organization within the transhumanist
    community. ExI has never accused an organization of being politically
    incorrect. There has been no need to due to a level of confidence ExI has
    exuded over the years.

    >Try this: A large part of the most vocal members of ExI tend to favor
    spontaneous order over planning in social issues - A large >part of the
    most vocal members of WTA tend to favor planning over spontaneous order in
    social issues.
    >Here, I have said it without using politically overcharged words [right,
    left, libertarian, socialist, fascist, communist, anarchist, ...] >but I am
    sure that some will still disagree with my (admittedly oversimplified)
    statement.

    Good.

    >I, like many, am a member of both organizations and try, time allowing,
    to contribute to both. I appreciate the value of both views, >and respect
    both, but the point I wish to make is: my experience first as a person,
    then as an engineer, then as a manager, tells >me that the right thing is
    ALWAYS some kind of reasoned mix of spontaneous order and planning. Getting
    it right is an >engineering, quantitative problem.
    >I also think that "pure" positions at one or the other extreme are naive
    in the best case, very dangerous in the worst case.
    >I wonder how many agree with this point of view. If many do, as I hope,
    then I do not see any fundamental problem if we wish to >have more
    collaboration and less competition between ExI and WTA.

    Yes. Since I'm for democracy, I think that our community needs to refrain
    from issuing labels onto people. Please remember, ExI is not a competitive
    organization. We have been here a long time and just keep doing what we
    do. ExI has been supportive of new organizations and will continue to be,
    regardless of religious sentiment or political extremism, but this does not
    mean that we will advocate an organizations religious or political
    views. Anyone competing with ExI is doing it on their own behalf and ExI
    does not have to participate. All ExI has to do is continue striving for
    excellent and keep doing what it does best.

    Natasha

    >###Natasha: Work directly with other organizations for a team-effort and
    >one in which each organization decides what their contribution will be to
    >the goal rather than duplicating the same thing (we see this with
    >Foresight Institute's gatherings which is pretty much the same as the ExI
    >community; and also with WTA's membership and goals which tends to be a
    >duplication of ExI. If Foresight focused on nanotechnology and encouraged
    >its members to be members of ExI, we would have more money and better
    >advantage. Further, if WTA had joined forces with ExI rather than try to
    >compete, we would have had a much larger community that would have been
    >more diverse and copacetic to transhumanist goals.###



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