Re: Investing

From: Brian Atkins (brian@posthuman.com)
Date: Wed Jun 11 2003 - 12:40:34 MDT

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    Hal Finney wrote:
    >
    > These observations are based both on theory and practice. I studied
    > some of the academic literature several years ago, and statistically
    > they found virtually no correlation between past price changes and future
    > price changes.
    >

    On the other hand, there have been statistical studies done that do show
    that based on rather simple metrics like market P/E, a buy & hold
    portfolio over a long term (10 years or more) holding period has
    somewhat predictable performance. Based on historical data, it would be
    predictable that investing at high P/Es (BTW, the markets are still at a
    high P/E) greatly increases the odds your portfolio will experience a
    long term no-growth or negative-growth performance from stocks.

    Here's one example, there are others out there:

    http://www.kc.frb.org/PUBLICAT/ECONREV/PDF/4q00shen.pdf

    (It's also fun to note that this was written back in 2000 apparently,
    and even then this economist was still "drinking the bubble kool-aid".
    Heck, I even have a saved post by ultra-rational Robin Hanson from June
    2000 where he also wasn't quite sure if we were in a bubble. Makes me
    feel at least a bit less peeved with myself :-/)

    Anyway, besides the P/E stuff, there also is some statistical evidence
    for at least one set of market performance cycles... if you combine that
    with what, as technology futurists, we expect to see in the coming
    years, it is quite likely we are indeed in the deflationary bear market
    chunk of the cycle, which very well may continue on for the next 10
    years or so. Even during such parts of the cycle though, the market has
    as many or more up years than down years, but don't expect any kind of
    significant returns during this period from a LTB&H approach unless you
    are holding securities that provide you a fixed rate of return.

    -- 
    Brian Atkins
    Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
    http://www.singinst.org/
    


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