From: matus@matus1976.com
Date: Mon Jun 09 2003 - 16:15:50 MDT
> At 01:38 AM 6/9/03 -0400, matus@matus1976.com wrote:
>
> [me:]
> >> I am not an extropian.
>
> [matus:]
> >Then what are you doing here?
>
> I came here for the waters.
>
> [matus:]
> >> >Absurd, this is the kind of twisted ethics prevalent on the
> extropy board
> >> >that alienates me.
>
> [me:]
> >> I am not... on Extropy's board
>
> [matus:]
> >Must one be on Extropy's board to call themselves an extropian?
>
> I shouldn't think so, but then I'm not an extropian. By the way, it was
> *you* who introduced the unpleasant phrase `the kind of twisted ethics
> prevalent on the extropy board'. I'll draw your questions to the attention
> of several members of the Board.
I do apologize for confusing the term 'board' it was clear now to me that
Damien meant the Board as in Greg, Natasha, etc and not the board, as in
this mailing list. The board with the little b was what I was referring to
initially.
But the point remains, the ethics demonstrated in posts by members of this
mailing list still surprises me.
>
> >I was referring to your ethics... or at least
> >the statement you have made that hinted toward your ethical
> principles. I
> >have not found these particular ethical concepts of 'it is more
> immoral the
> >more it effects me' and 'removing a murderous tyrant is morally as bad as
> >being a murderous tyrant'
>
> Inverted commas in this context imply that these are quotations and that I
> have made those statements. I did not. Don't do that again.
>
The former is a paraphrase of your moral principles stated in previous
discussions, the later is a paraphrase of Emlyn's. You did not make that
direct statement, but made ones that directly implied that.
Anyhoo, you still didnt answer the questions I posed.
I shall ask again
Damien said:
> When I hear that Saddam and his sons and regime tortured and murdered
> people, I am horrified; when I hear that US jails contain a
> million or more
> prisoners many of them incarcerated for using marijuana and subjected in
> prison to rampant rape and brutality, I am horrified as well.
...but are you equally horrified? !!!!!!!!
Are you seriously suggesting it is equally deplorable that humans beings are
being raped, murdered, and tortured as you find human beings spending a few
months in climate controlled prison watching survivor, weight lifting and
reading Playboy in a post industrialized west nation living longer healther
better lives than perhaps 3/4's of the world?
So, which is it, is it more wrong to rape and murder someone (albiet,
someone you dont know) or more wrong to toss a pot smoking youth in jail?
Accordingly, which are you morally required to voice objections to? The one
you have more control over, or the one that is more wrong (if, indeed, you
feel one is actually more wrong than the other)
Further, is Saddam Hussain morally culpable for the deaths of the civilians
in the Coalition lead effort to remove said murderous tyrant from power, or
is the coalition morally culpable?
Regards,
Michael Dickey
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