Re: ARTERIES Engineered-Non-Neonatal

From: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky (sentience@pobox.com)
Date: Sat Jun 07 2003 - 08:20:34 MDT

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    Robert J. Bradbury wrote:
    > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003, Eliezer S. Yudkowsky wrote:
    >
    >> Sorry, I have to side with the researchers on this one. The human
    >> body is designed, literally designed, to age. And you can't mess
    >> with that design until you know what the consequences are. Or you
    >> *won't* get old.
    >
    > The declining force of natural selection with age *cannot* allow an
    > organism to be "designed to age". The best you can manage is a failure
    > of the programs that keep the organism young.

    Yes, pardon me; an organism can be designed in such a way that its
    continued functioning relies on those mechanisms that are responsible for
    aging, e.g., shortening telomeres. Ergo the organism will be designed in
    such a way that it ages and in such a way that interfering with aging
    mechanisms will interfere with the life of the organism, although, of
    course, there is no adaptive benefit to aging as such.

    > There is no "program for aging" -- there is a "program which fails to
    > keep you young indefinitely". It is a subtle but significant
    > difference.

    There is a program which not only fails to keep you young indefinitely,
    but which contains design dependencies upon the failures.

    >> The human body was not designed to be easily revised for immortality.
    >> It's designed to burn out and die.
    >
    > No, you cannot say it is "designed" that way. Its a lack of a
    > sufficiently robust design to *not* "burn out and die".

    It was the design dependencies I was talking about. Read, "designed in
    such a way as to have active dependencies on and obtain adaptive benefits
    from those features which cause it to burn out and die, not just designed
    in such a way as to burn out and die as a side effect."

    You're quite correct in objecting to my original phrasing, though. :)

    -- 
    Eliezer S. Yudkowsky                          http://singinst.org/
    Research Fellow, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
    


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