RE: [Iraq] The real reason for the war

From: Ramez Naam (mez@apexnano.com)
Date: Wed Jun 04 2003 - 12:41:43 MDT

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    I generally respect Friedman but I think he's probably wrong about the
    effects of an American display of power in Iraq. Throughout history
    ethnic and religious groups who have been beaten or humiliated by
    other groups have harbored grudges. Those grudges have manifested
    themselves in retributive violence, rather than just rolling over and
    taking it.
     
    Friedman is essentially saying that the US has now shown that it's
    tough, and this will bring the Arab governments into line, which will
    in turn reduce terrorism.
     
    But Friedman is wrong about the role of states in terrorism, both now
    even moreso in the future. The Taliban probably new nothing about the
    9/11 attack. The training facilities in Afghanistan were irrelevant
    to it. All it took was a couple hundred thousand dollars and some
    people willing to die. Future terrorist attacks will just get chaper
    and easier as the technology of destruction advances. Increasingly
    governments won't matter in terrorism at all - just motivated
    individuals, like the angry muslim men who crashed those planes on
    9/11. The US attack on Iraq has probably increased the number of such
    angry muslim men willing to die if they can take some Americans with
    them.
     
    On the other hand, I think what Friedman lists as the "right" reason
    to invade attack may pay major dividends. If the US can succeed in
    nation building, and help establish a prosperous and democratic Iraq,
    it'll have a major positive effect on the region. That effect, in the
    long run, could outweigh the short term increase in Arab anger towards
    the US.
     
    But if the US only shows strength, and fails to build a prosperous
    democracy in Iraq, the invasion of Iraq will be a large net negative,
    especially for the US itself.
     
    mez
     

            From: John K Clark [mailto:jonkc@att.net]
            
            Thomas Friedman had a interesting column in the New York Times
    today about the true reasons for the Iraq war and I think he was
    absolutely correct:
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            "There were actually four reasons for this war: the real
    reason, the right reason, the moral reason and the stated reason.

            The "real reason" for this war, which was never stated, was
    that after 9/11 America needed to hit someone in the Arab-Muslim
    world.

            The "right reason" for this war was the need to partner with
    Iraqis, post-Saddam, to build a progressive Arab regime. Because the
    real weapons of mass destruction that threaten us were never Saddam's
    missiles. The real weapons that threaten us are the growing number of
    angry, humiliated young Arabs and Muslims, who are produced by failed
    or failing Arab states — young people who hate America more than they
    love life. Helping to build a decent Iraq as a model for others — and
    solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — are the necessary steps for
    defusing the ideas of mass destruction, which are what really threaten
    us.

             



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