Re[2]: evolution and its implications.

From: naccts (naccts@bowmans.info)
Date: Tue Jun 03 2003 - 15:51:15 MDT

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    AS> "Should" is a troublesome word. Should as in a moral ought, or should as
    AS> in always present?

    There will always be inferiors and superiors. That's a fact where the
    fittest feeds upon the weakest. Predators, right?

    The way I see it, Overmen (those having overcome their human
    limits/capacities) will be above the humans. A plausible scenario is
    that humans will be used as *unconscious* servants/slaves by the
    overmen. It's natural.

    AS> And why the assumption that evolution is always good
    AS> or present?

    Evolution is always about the survival of those who can adapt the
    most. In that sense, it is good. It is about the persistence of life
    and eventually (given adequate conditions) sentience.

    It is always present, one way or the other. The fact that it can
    hardly be noticed (though sometimes it is happening in a way that it
    cannot easily be seen or understood as it does not comply to criteria set by
    general consensus), that doesn't mean that it's not happening. The
    lifetime of average man is negligible when compared to millenia.
    Yet... :)

    AS> Yes. Or at least differential selection. However, the amount of
    AS> variability in the genome that produces the maximal expected increase in
    AS> fitness varies over time. Imagine a fitness landscape with a single
    AS> peak in the otherwise fairly flat surface, and a population starting
    AS> somewhere down on the plain. At the start the optimal variance is very
    AS> high, but most individuals have the same fitness. Then a few find the
    AS> foothills of the mountain, and the differences in fitness between
    AS> individuals increase. As the population climbs the mountain the optimal
    AS> variance decreases, since the maximum is more likely closer than far
    AS> away. Eventually the population ends up on the top and variance should
    AS> be very small - there is no more fitness to find, and everybody has
    AS> nearly the same fitness again.

    And the cycle begins anew...with the emergence of superiors until
    everybody reaches the same level (enthropy) and it starts again...

    AS> Why assume a chain (i.e. a scalar fitness)? Things are far more
    AS> multidimensional, and one can evolve towards many different niches and
    AS> goals. I do not see a chain of being as a goal, but rather an immense
    AS> tree of clades.

    Seen in an overall point of view, yes. but invidually...I wonder...
    Following a straight chain, superiority will exist. Even in a
    multimensional aspect it may prevail. But this is all relative...there
    will be one specie who will dominate in most environments (this is
    what man is doing right now, no? Not naturally of course, but nature
    is not the only thing behind evoluton now...)

    BIL



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