Re: Deep River/Deep Sleep [was Boy Genius or Craft Idiot?]

From: Dehede011@aol.com
Date: Mon Jun 02 2003 - 06:52:32 MDT

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    In a message dated 6/2/2003 2:09:24 AM Central Standard Time,
    Spudboy100@aol.com writes: Its not supposed to click with reality, its a means to
    pyschologically deal with unmet needs and personal frustration. When pharacology and
    technical progress overtake the problems of people's lives, then we shall see
    what remains. Until then we have the human condition to deal with.

         In his book Technaissance the writer McGee contends we are in the
    beginning of a new renaissance. McGee expects to see clergy expanding into this
    area.
         Some people are walking manifestations of the comment that when you own
    a hammer every problem is a nail. Science is wonderful but there is a whole
    set of issues that science doesn't address at all.
         Among other things religion is a small service profession. As such it
    is a down & dirty nitty gritty business. What do you say to a family that has
    just lost a loved one? Believe it or not good clergy have a long history of
    learning to deal with those situations.
         At the time I was involved with training for clergy I made a call on a
    rest home one Sunday afternoon and found the regular ward nurse in tears. She
    realized that in some fashion she had just killed a patient.
         It is fairly well known among at least some clergy that when a sick
    person is totally exhausted from a long illness, particularly the elderly, that
    they hang on waiting for someone to give them permission to die. They seem to
    have such a sense of duty to their families that they are very reluctant to lay
    down their burden although they really would like to.
         This man was old, very ill and he wanted to die but he felt a duty to
    his family. Just the same he was wore out with the pain. He expressed his
    desire to pass on to the nurse that was talking to me. She had tried to cheer him
    up. He was afraid to leave his family as he felt that duty to help. She
    made some kind of comment that it was okay, they would get by. I guess she was
    very convincing.
         She checked the patient a half hour later and he had passed on. I know
    that he died but prefer the term "passed on" in this instance because it is
    descriptive of what happened. He was sick, old and tired. He saw that he did
    not need to continue suffering on behalf of his family and he lay down his
    burden. They do that all the time.
         But, you do not prepare for this work by conducting Chemistry
    Experiments. It is a set of knowledge few ever learn. That day it was my job to
    explain the situation to that nurse. To explain that he was wanting to die, he went
    of his own free will, she did not do it to him, she had given him permission
    to quit suffering and he took it.
         You will find a large number of people that serve those that are ill or
    otherwise unable to get around. Many times I was the only person that visited
    an old person all week.
         Sure, I said a prayer for them, they seemed to respond to that with a
    little hope -- that was little enough to give them. Many times it was just the
    visit, the sound of a human voice and the touch of a human hand they were
    looking for.
         They also want to talk religion. As a visitor I can't BS those people
    about things of which I have no proof. I can tell them what we have been told.
     I can say we hope that it is true. I can even say that I personally believe
    if I believe. But those old heads have seen way too much of life to get
    kidded -- they will spot a false answer in an instant.
         So, let me wind this up. There is an entire body of knowledge and
    theory concerning questions which science neither answers nor addresses. I am
    entirely indifferent on one level whether someone is an atheist or believes in
    some version of the Judeo-Christian religion. I do believe that Zen has some
    practices that will benefit people. I haven't examined their theology.
         But, I get very upset if some ignoramus starts throwing out the bath
    water without checking to see what is in the bath.
    Ron h.



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