Re: The good ship Extro 1

From: Jeff Davis (jrd1415@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Jun 02 2003 - 01:46:11 MDT

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    --- "Robert J. Bradbury" <bradbury@aeiveos.com> wrote:
    >
    > Pls note, for the small amount of $4.5M, we can
    > purchase an Ex-aircraft
    > carrier (not so sure why it is "ex") and have the
    > "Extro 1", the first
    > Extropian "enclave".

    Extropes,

    This is an idea to which I've devoted many "sessions
    of sweet silent thought".

    Regarding the cost of maintenance/operation. If
    you're cruisin the world, it's gonna cost more than if
    you just park it and live on it. Also, if you just
    park it, you can coat the hull with concrete,
    whereupon rust and electrochemical corrosion of the
    hull ceases to be an issue (remember the bad boy oil
    tanker in "Waterworld"?)

    If you want to cruise on the cheap, and don't need to
    go fast, you could turn it into a sailboat. If you
    don't need to land and launch airplanes, that big flat
    open deck presents a world of possibilities.

    In 1971 I worked for a ship breaker in the old Kaiser
    shipyard in Richmond, Ca. We took apart a jeep
    carrier that had been sold for scrap from the US
    mothball fleet. I led a crew that went through the
    interior taking out all things flammable. We stacked
    mattresses from the crew quarters onto bomb dollies,
    hauled them out to the hanger deck, and then threw
    them down onto the dock below. This to certify the
    ship fire safe for cutting apart with acetelyne
    torches. Actually, the ship was too big to fit in the
    drydock whole, so first it had to be cut in half, and
    then dismantled by halves.

    SJ Van Sickle rightly notes that used ships are
    plentiful, and cruise ships are purposefully designed
    more for human habitation than an aircraft carrier.
    (But an aircraft carrier is without a doubt way cooler
    than a lamo cruise ship.)

    The $850K cruise ships he offers for our consideration
    has 120 cabins. If you figure another 50 living
    quarters for crew, that gives 170 separate living
    spaces. That's $5K per, out the door fully paid off.
    (Tax, title, and insurance extra, natch.) Whatta
    deal!
    While the aircraft carrier, at $4.5 mil, doesn't
    submit so readily to the dollars-per-living-space
    calculation, the bottom line is in the same ballpark,
    ie, chickenfeed.

    My recommendation: start with one aircraft carrier
    and one cruise ship, park them in the southern part of
    San Francisco Bay at the precise confluence of San
    Mateo, Santa Clara, and Alameda counties. (So when
    whichever county tax collector comes along, you simply
    say, "We're not in 'your' county", or alternately,
    "We're not in 'your' county for a sufficient fraction
    of the year to sustain a tax liability", or
    alternately, use your mobility to play the three
    counties off against one another for the best tax
    deal. Remember, are they really gonna provide you with
    police, schools, roads, fire protection, utilities,
    garbage pick-up, sewage treatment, or anything else to
    justify their tax levy? Like I said, I've thought
    about this a lot.)

    If you can deal with the regulatory nightmare, you can
    have an outrageous club/condo/commercial hotspot.
    Otherwise go for private ownership coop. Where else
    in the Bay Area--or for that matter any location
    within shouting disance of civilization--can you get
    your own private home in your own private floating
    city for $5K-$10K.

    Bay Area Extropians comprise only a fraction of the
    larger Bay Area lifestyle adventurers who would love
    this idea. Every tribe it's own boat in the
    Extropian-initiated Geeklandia fleet. A Star Trek
    boat: the Enterprise no doubt. A
    OpenSource/coders/hackers boat. A Gay boat (it is San
    Francisco after all.) A gamer boat. A SciFi boat. A
    hippy boat. A heavily-armed Libertarian boat. etc.

    Best, Jeff Davis

          "We don't see things as they are,
                 we see them as we are."
                            Anais Nin

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