RE: Rightness and Utility of Patriotism

From: Peter C. McCluskey (pcm@rahul.net)
Date: Fri Jun 20 2003 - 18:45:39 MDT

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     rhanson@gmu.edu (Robin Hanson) writes:
    >Yes, of course Bayesians can disagree about values, about what
    >they want to have happen. Whether this lets them disagree about
    >who some property "belongs" to depends on whether we are talking
    >about values, who do I wish it would belong to, or facts, who
    >in fact owns the property according to some set of legal rules.

     I can understand Bayesians holding different values, but I don't
    understand how that enables disagreement. What stops them from rephrasing
    their differences along these lines: the values that the Cherokee people
    want to maximise are best served by killing any white man who claims to
    own the land, and the values held by the group of white men who want the
    land are maximised by killing the Cherokee (I changed the value differences
    a bit to make it easier to describe them with less ambiguity and to make
    it clear that I'm assuming no compromise involving a monetary payment would
    eliminate the dispute).
     One possible answer I thought of was that nothing requires them to
    notice that they are using "belongs" in ways that are ambiguous and
    inconsistent. I'm having trouble analyzing this. If I assume that they
    believe values can't cause Bayesians to disagree, they should deduce from
    the apparent disagreement that something such as an ambiguous word is
    causing the disagreement, and they should correct it by speaking more
    precisely. But if instead I assume they believe values CAN cause Bayesians
    to disagree, it's unclear whether they have to notice the ambiguity.

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