Re: [IRAQ]: killing civilians not an issue

From: Hubert Mania (humania@t-online.de)
Date: Fri Jun 20 2003 - 09:44:47 MDT

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    Michael Wiik quoted from an Evening Standard report and I want to emphazise
    some of these quotes here:

    > "Like, the only way to get through s*** like that was to concentrate on
    > getting through it by killing as many people as you can, people you know
    > are trying to kill you. Killing them first and getting home."
    > [...]
    >
    > He said: "S***, I didn't help any of them. I wouldn't help the f******.
    > There were some you let die. And there were some you double- tapped."

    > [...]
    > Making a shooting sign with his hand he went on: "Once you'd reached the
    > objective, and once you'd shot them and you're moving through, anything
    > there, you shoot again. You didn't want any prisoners of war. You hate
    > them so bad while you're fighting, and you're so terrified, you can't
    > really convey the feeling, but you don't want them to live."

    What I find absurd and annoying but typical, is that in this publication
    harmless words like *shit* and *fuck* are deleted while the description of
    being a killing machine is laid aout in detail.

    On the eve of the Iraq war I found a similar attitude here on the list, too.
    People who cold-bloodedly accepted that a lot of innocent civilians would
    die in this war accused me of using shocking terms that referred to these
    overwhelming peristaltic movements that automatically started in my guts
    when being confronted with pictures of your proud and praying nation. One
    person even claimed that with my description of this visceral activity I had
    left the path of civility while he and his co-patriots were willing to
    sacrifice thousands of human beings for a not existing threat.

    Pretty soon these killing machines and mass murderers who did the job for
    you will return to your country and will live among you. I know what it
    feels like to live among mass murderes. My father was one, my 8 uncles were
    war criminals, when they survived WWII, the priests I got to know were mass
    murderers, almost all of my teachers had been killing machines and not a
    single one of them was healthy and happy. They were all broken
    personalities, somehow.

    To clarify my personal definition of a mass murderer: *every* person in a
    mass murderer who killed more than two humans in his life, no matter if he
    took part in a war of aggression or if he defended his country. You can
    laugh about my definition and start to enumerate the reasons for a just
    war - yes, yes, yes, but no, no no - I don't give a damn about any war
    convention. Even if you defend your country, *afterwards you must live with
    the guilt* of having killed human beings. I don't know anybody of the mass
    murderers I personally met who had not - in the deepest place of his heart -
    a rest of guilt he had to drown with booze or other anaesthetics.

    In my imagination transhumanism cannot be achieved before the territorial
    fighting mechanisms from the reptile brain are abolished or appeased or
    cultivated somehow. One generation has to start with this mission
    impossible. I would like to belong to this generation.

    Peace on earth

    humania



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