Re: Suns considered harmful (was: Pluto)

From: Robert J. Bradbury (bradbury@aeiveos.com)
Date: Sun May 25 2003 - 01:42:11 MDT

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    On Sat, 24 May 2003, Eliezer S. Yudkowsky wrote:

    > Either I've got false memories or you've got a gap. I recall discussing
    > this with you, albeit briefly. Humans being what they are, we'll never
    > know. Probably the blue people changed it. You remember the blue people,
    > right?

    Yep, I distinctly recall the blue people because I thought your
    interpretation might not have included the brief discussion we
    had on the E-list about them (Perhaps a year ago, we had
    several emails exchanged about where the idea originated, I
    think I had Googled and came up with a Twilight Zone episode
    but Damien may have come up with the actual story from which
    it was derived.) I recall being somewhat puzzled regarding
    whether you might have read those emails and/or were simply
    finding the idea appealing from a novelty standpoint.

    So I recall the blue people discussion reasonably well.
    The MBrain discussions may include a mental gap on my part
    (I've been thinking about MBrains for so long that conversations
    with respect to them don't have any novelty value. So I may
    discard the information with the same ease that you would
    discard comments about AIs that are inherently obvious to you.)

    > Clearly what the world needs is a more sophisticated Fun Theory.

    I agree with this (and the subsequent analysis). The real pain
    this is going to get into is that most of what is considered "fun"
    happens to be related to pre-programmed instincts that are
    involved in either survival or reproduction. Once you remove
    those drives/instincts/etc. there is going to have to be a lot
    of rewriting of the "code" that needs to be done with respect to
    precisely what "Fun" is.

    Regarding your proposed stellar management/disassembly processes,
    I agree that the ideas would be useful -- but can the physicists
    manange to pull the rabbit out of the hat? Yep, we can slow light down.
    But that doesn't imply that we can negate gravity or the processes
    it drives.

    I simply prefer some reasonably concrete evidence before I'm sold.

    Robert



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