Re: Left/Right... can't we do better than this?

From: Natasha Vita-More (natasha@natasha.cc)
Date: Fri May 23 2003 - 17:18:51 MDT

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    At 06:59 PM 5/23/03 +0100, Steve wrote:
    >Natasha said
    >
    >. Inasmuch, it seems to me that a future oriented political agenda would
    >pertain to the current issues - even the ones we like to ignore because
    >they are beneath us - rather than so dramatic a belief about how things
    >ought to be. It isn't productive or promising to be staunch in any one
    >20th Century political sphere. A more apt agenda would be one that is
    >workable and global. This is why I tend to imprint on catalytic schemas
    >such as the ones produced by Bucky Fuller. I'd like to know of someone who
    >is thinking more futuristically when discussing political models.
    >
    >Me too! There's clearly an interest in/demand for this but it doesn't
    >happen. I think the problem in part is the lack of a vocabulary or
    >discourse for discussion of such matters. The only kind of language that
    >seems to be widely used now is the apocalyptic one, according to which the
    >world is going to the dogs, we are on the edge of catastrophe, nothing can
    >be done but a pure remnant will be saved and start afresh. The whole
    >language of "progress" and "improvement" has been tarnished unfortunately.

    Time for a memetic tune-up!

    >Natasha
    >> > At ExI, we are working on a "Worlds Smallest Futurist Quiz, and
    >> > I'm working on a version for my talk at the TransVision
    >> > Conference. For this, I was planning on solicitating Ander's
    >> > keen mind :-)
    >>Anders
    >>I would be delighted! After all, there are different kinds of
    >>futures and futurists too. However, that sounds somewhat different
    >>from the inherently political quiz I suggested in this thread.

    >Maybe that's a misleading distinction?
    >
    >
    >> >I'm not sure just how to does this for a futurists' quiz, but at
    >> >least I've got the first 2 questions. The night before last, my
    >> >mother, Max and I tossed around a few ideas and this was provoking
    >> >because of the differences between an 85 year old and baby
    >> >boomers. We focused on biotechnological questions and my mother
    >> >proved to be extropic in her thinking here. But not everywhere!
    >> >I think that to design a balanced quiz, it would require either a
    >> >person who is very sharp or a team of people from diverse
    >> >backgrounds to test the questions.
    >>
    >>I think we need to think about what the quiz should reveal or be
    >>used for. One approach is to show the assumptions about the
    >>speed/size of future changes and one's valence to it (e.g. Bill Joy
    >>is close to our idea of the size and speed, but not that it is a
    >>good thing, while many conservative thinkers are negative but do
    >>not believe any real change is on the horizon). Another approach is
    >>to look at how radical changes are conceivable within different
    >>areas, and how well these can be integrated into coherent world
    >>models of the future.
    >>
    >>I think this is very important. It's amazing how little work has actually
    >>been done on how people generally conceive of change, the future, and
    >>their place in it.

    I hope you can help us out Steve.

    Best,
    Natasha

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