Re: The mistake of agriculture

From: Anders Sandberg (asa@nada.kth.se)
Date: Fri May 23 2003 - 03:37:35 MDT

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    On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 06:55:20PM -0700, Lee Corbin wrote:
    > gts writes
    > > Yes, before agriculture there was no ruling class.
    >
    > I would say that from the standpoint of individual psychology, only
    > *now* are most people free. Living in a small hunter-gatherer band
    > would have meant for most people enduring the domination of a few
    > particular (and doubtlessly loathsome) people. One of the glorious
    > things of civilization is the individual's ability, by and large,
    > to isolate himself from unpleasant people.

    The glass is half full in this case. Before agriculture social
    organisation did not have any class structure, and was usually
    based on small bands of 2-4 families foraging together. Such
    groups usually do not have much economic or power distinction
    between members. They are simply too small and closely knit. But
    once you get larger groups - villages, tribes, you get "big
    men". Still, even here the power distances are very small. It
    is when you move to larger organisations when the power
    distances really start to grow.

    One can make an information theoretic explanation for this: the
    number of interactions needed to coordinate N people if
    everybody needs to speak to everyone scales as N^2, and beyond a
    certain point far too much time and energy is taken up by
    discussing and seeking consensus. By putting this power in the
    hand of a central coordinator the effort becomes linear. But
    that becomes too cumbersome after a certain size; then it makes
    sense to have a over-coordinator talking to a number of
    sub-coordinators speaking with the rest. So we end up with a
    pyramid of power with log(N) levels.

    What is happening right now is that we - thanks to affluence and
    technology - are finding ways of organising without coercion and
    with less need for power distances. We can afford mistakes and
    inefficiencies since the benefits of freedom are even larger; in
    the farming village the opposite is true.

    (The misspelling 'agrivulture' popped up; maybe this is a good term for gts'
    position on it? :-)

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