Re: "Hysteria, Thy Name is SARS"

From: Phil Osborn (philosborn2001@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue May 20 2003 - 19:52:13 MDT

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    In reply to Samantha's typically silly post:

    I can't even figure out what your interpretation is of
    what I said, so this is going to likely fall short of
    a cogent response on those grounds. "Real Woman" as
    opposed to MALE!!! transexual prostitutes? I didn't
    imply anything about transexual Women, I don't think.
    These prostitutes, who are quite common in your real
    low-life Mexican bars, are completely biologically
    male, I'm reasonable sure. As I mentioned, an entire
    radio program - an hour, as I recall - was devoted
    locally on the Pacifica station to describing the
    increasing problem of Hispanic men passing AIDS and
    other STDs to their wives from encounters with such
    prostitutes.

    Many, perhaps most traditional macho Hispanic men are
    only homophobic about being on the "receiving" end -
    i.e., taking on the "female" role. Taking the "male"
    role with another man is not considered a diminishment
    of one's machismo. It can even be seen as a superior
    way of proving it, as women are seen in that male
    culture as being inherently weak and essentially "no
    contest." Thus, forcing another man to act like a
    female means that one is even that much more macho.
    On numerous occasions, in fact, because I had very
    smooth facial skin (due to using retin A for a decade)
    and longish hair, I had the experience of Hispanic
    passengers in my cab suddenly coming on to me, at
    which point I politely made it clear that I was not
    one of those men who would take on the female role for
    them.

    I'm sure that there are biological males - in the
    limited XY sense, at least - who, because of some
    pre-natal gender hormone misshap or other similar
    causes, find that their responses fit the pattern of
    woman to man and make the choice to follow that
    pattern, whether including hormone treatments and/or
    surgery. At least one of them has been a friend of
    mine since the mid-80's. I suspect that many of these
    Hispanic transexuals also fit that pattern. However,
    in the U.S., in Orange County, at least, I rarely saw
    a female Hispanic prostitute, altho they dominate in
    Mexico for sure. With a limited supply, I'm sure that
    the prices for those rare women are quite high, which
    leaves the transexual prostitutes, who, unfortunately,
    tend to practice unsafe sex with a LOT of partners.

    Does wearing a skirt and bra make one a REAL woman?
    Just where is that line?

    From: Samantha (samantha@objectent.com)
    Date: Mon May 19 2003 - 02:57:25 MDT

    On Thursday 15 May 2003 04:50 pm, Phil Osborn wrote:

    > Purely anecdotally, one of the Hispanics who I see
    on a daily basis was really in the dumps of late after
    he got caught cheating on his wife, by his wife, after
    she came down with an STD. When I drove a cab here in
    Orange County in the '80's, 90% of my customers were
    first-generation, low-income Hispanics, and couldn't
    afford a real woman to prove their manhood, so the
    trans-sexual prostitutes did a land office business at
    the bars. I carried them as well, and often they were
    indistinguishable from a real woman at first glance. >

    So now you are going to bash transsexual women as not
    "real women" to boot heh? I will refrain from
    responding further to you, ever, as
    I will become decidely un-lady-like.

    Culturally Hispanics are generally homophobic and most
    hispanic males would not consider sex with anyone they
    thought of as less than a woman or not really a woman
    as proving anything at all complementary about
    themselves. Perhaps they exhibit a better attitude
    than you
    do in this respect.

    - samantha

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