Re: Consensus diet? RE: Experiences with Atkins diet

From: Greg Jordan (jordan@chuma.cas.usf.edu)
Date: Thu May 01 2003 - 12:22:44 MDT

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    I agree with most of this, and I too hope the list can form a consensus. I
    would only question the bit about organic food: we know pesticides and
    herbicides are harmful to humans, why wouldn't food dusted with them and
    absorbing them also be harmful to humans? I think some studies which have
    shown organic diets less healthy have had to do with the organic dieters'
    particular food choices, not the organicity of the food.
     I would also add what we've heard from the Atkins dieters - that it sheds
    pounds (presumably from fat?) while also causing constipation, and
    physical and mental weakness/sluggishness.

    gej
    resourcesoftheworld.org
    jordan@chuma.cas.usf.edu

    On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Rafal Smigrodzki wrote:

    > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:27:41 -0700
    > From: Rafal Smigrodzki <rafal@smigrodzki.org>
    > Reply-To: extropians@extropy.org
    > To: extropians@extropy.org
    > Subject: Consensus diet? RE: Experiences with Atkins diet
    >
    > Last week I purchased a piece of salami with peppercorns and some garlic
    > butter.
    >
    > I haven't had salami for about 5 years, and butter for at least ten.
    >
    > Delicious.
    >
    > I wonder if we could come up with a consensus about what we really know
    > about diet based on the highest quality studies (leaving aside quibbles
    > about the validity of e.g. evolutionary arguments). All this without trying
    > to agree on all the hundreds of less well established observations.
    >
    > For the consensus I would nominate:
    >
    > 1) Ingestion of hydrogenated lipids in any amount is bad for you
    >
    > 2) Ingestion of calories from any source, if leading to obesity, is bad for
    > you
    >
    > 3) Failure to provide at least 100% of RDA for established vitamins is bad
    > for you
    >
    > 4) Consumption of raw vegetables (with some exceptions), and most types of
    > fruit, is good for you
    >
    > 6) For persons with homocysteine levels exceeding 10 to 15, supplementation
    > with vit B12, folic acid and thiamine, is beneficial
    >
    > 7) There is no consensus on the efficacy of antioxidant supplementation
    >
    > 8) Ingestion of vit A significantly above the RDA is bad for you
    >
    > 9) Ingestion of iron above the RDA, is bad for you, except in some special
    > circumstances
    >
    > 10) There is no consensus as to the benefits of organic foods, as compared
    > to conventionally produced ones of the same general composition
    >
    > 11) Ingestion of certain high-caloric density foods with highly refined
    > palatability (a.k.a. sweets) may contribute to obesity
    >
    > 12) Certain types of moderately calorie-dense foods, consisting
    > predominantly of highly absorbable, processed carbohydrates (e.g. most
    > brands of cereal, fries, many types of bread, some types of pasta, pizza)
    > may contribute to obesity
    >
    > Any more?
    >
    > Rafal
    >
    >
    >



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