From: Dehede011@aol.com
Date: Wed Apr 16 2003 - 06:36:30 MDT
In a message dated 4/16/2003 2:47:43 AM Central Standard Time, 
samantha@objectent.com quotes: If I wait until your gun is literally smoking 
it's too late for me, I'm dead. If I see you pull out a gun and point it at 
me I'm going to do my damn best to get my gun smoking before yours. Is my 
"audience" happy about that?
I don't care. Am I "justified"? I don't care because I'm better than 
justified, I'm alive.  
       Then responds, "Do you care that you are alive as a lawless bully that 
very well may have just killed other people for no reason whatsoever?  Is 
that life of the kind you want to live?
Samantha,
       That is the most amazing response I can imagine.  If John waits until 
he is shot then you can claim he has no right to defend himself because the 
conclusion that he is about to be killed is also pre-emptive.  Then when John 
is dead it is too late and you can claim that he shouldn't take a life anyway 
because it is too late for him.
       That is why when under the treat of death or serious injury it is the 
person being threatened that makes the decision as to where to draw the line. 
 Even a court only asks that he make the same decision a reasonable person 
would.
Ron h.
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