From: gts (gts_2000@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Apr 13 2003 - 01:45:59 MDT
Damien Sullivan wrote:
>> I don't understand how you can say that breads and pasta hold up
>> decently!
>
> Because I look at the labels and do the math and get decent
> numbers....
>
>> Practically any vegetable is more nutrient-dense than any
>> agricultural product.
>
> Oh, definitely.
Okay then, that's all I mean. Breads and pasta, including whole breads, just
can't hold a candle to real natural foods like fruits and vegetables and
meats and nuts. Breads and pasta are ~50% carb (i.e., ~50% sugar) and
compared to other carb containing foods like fruits and veggies they have
practically no redeeming qualities.
> But you have to get calories too.
As I stated in my previous post, I am not suggesting that anyone expect to
obtain every calorie from vegetables.
> And the
> link between saturated fat and heart disease seems pretty
> strong, so I'd be careful with the meat and fowl.
If you cut out the dairy fat then the saturated fats in lean meats and
poultry are not a problem.
> And I'm on a budget. Grains and beans are cheap.
I won't argue that point. The cheapness of grains is unfortunate; it's one
reason that America is currently experiencing an epidemic in obesity and
type II diabetes.
> Look, my main objection is people acting as if grains are
> empty calories. They're not.
Okay, but you'll have to grant me this much: if the term "empty calories"
has any meaning beyond simple sugar then grains are it.
>> The aborigines you mentioned have learned to grind seeds to make
>> flour,
>
> Not flour, breaking up seed cases.
That's flour.
Seeds are not digestible. Smashed seeds are digestible. Items indigestible
in their natural state are by definition not paleolithic.
Keep in mind that our true paleolithic ancestors were not exactly the
sharpest tools in the shed. We did however nevertheless inherit their genes.
> I speak of the Okinawans,
> who have more (and more active) nonagenarians than anyone,
> and who eat a lot of rice. White rice, even. But they also
> eat lots of fish and vegetables and drink lots of green tea
Right. Good thing for them that they eat fish and veggies and drink green
tea.
-gts
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