Re: POLITICS [&WAR]: Neo-Conservative policies and power

From: Samantha Atkins (samantha@objectent.com)
Date: Thu Apr 10 2003 - 02:51:30 MDT

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    Lee Daniel Crocker wrote:
    >>(Samantha Atkins <samantha@objectent.com>):
    >>
    >>I don't see how it is remotely possible to create a world of
    >>both freedom and fairly full access to technology - which I
    >>believe requires greatly increasing the stake and buy-in and
    >>perception of benefit by most of the worlds people - by
    >>attacking them...
    >
    >
    > This is why we have a hard time taking many of you arguments
    > seriously, Samantha: while you are quick to make the distinction
    > between the American people and its government, you then totally
    > ignore that very distinction by implying that we are somehow
    > attacking the world's people instead of their governments.

    I was not aware that only governments die when we bomb a country
    or in the chaos after the military action is more or less done.
       I am not aware that we have a good record of late of being
    sure to clean up the mess after and leave the people with more
    real freedom and access to modern technology. Perhaps you know
    something that I do not here.

    >
    > Governments--all governments, ours included--are an enemy of
    > the Extropian future. Our government may or may not be justified
    > in waging war on some other government, but continuing to claim
    > or imply that that we are attacking the people under them is
    > dishonest and detracts from reasoned discourse.
    >

    I very much disagree. People die in these conflicts and usually
    not the politicians running the governments. If government is
    itself unextropian how can there be any justification for an
    unjustiable institution waging war on another unjustifiable
    institution and robbing us and other people of lives and
    valuable resources that could otherwise be more extropically
    applied?

    If my culture comes into your country and blows hell out of your
    infrastructure and perhaps kills some of your loved ones are you
    going to be particularly inclined to absorb my cultural values
    or even give them a fair hearing?

    - samantha



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