RE: Pandering

From: Lee Corbin (lcorbin@tsoft.com)
Date: Sun Mar 30 2003 - 21:05:06 MST

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    Michael writes

    > > And then there's Sean Hannity of FOX. He takes the prize
    > > for the most offensive....snip...Such rot.

    Well, not in my opinion. (Interesting how we all differ, even
    within one proximate area of the political spectrum.) The only
    TV conservative I cannot stand is Bill O'Reilly, and for exactly
    the type of incident gts related. He's seldom as interested in
    an honest exchange as simple name-calling.

    > I will run the risk of stating the obvious from a memetic context:
    >
    > The younger & hungrier Right Wing Talk Zealots do get cranked
    > up a lot-- their producers and agents want them to stay in the
    > "shock"/controversy/polarization zone. It gains them market from
    > controvery's first-order (curiosity/first time listeners)...

    I think that you've got your causality backwards. Those so-called
    zealots truly believe what they are saying, and are *not* pressured
    to take even more extreme views. They obtain their large audiences
    because what they have to say resonates with those audiences. The
    market place selected them because of their views---not producers
    and agents taking simple and naive flashy personalities and making
    them spout popular views.

    > Pandering, actually. Like the historical Joe Pyne or the fictional
    > [Bug] Jack Barron. It really is more than a bit like the WWF.

    No, completely wrong. I used to listen to Joe Pyne. He was
    no Michael Savage. His commentary was to the point, and was
    the only (!) thing expressing conservatism that I had ever
    heard in mass media. He spoke on one (!) radio station from
    L.A., and he didn't last long.

    Since then the liberals or liberal media has elevated him to
    mythological status. He never laid it on the line as clearly
    and uncompromisingly as his modern day equivalents (I'm not
    so sure that he was even as talented as they).

    You CANNOT call any of the right-wing (or left-wing) extremists
    so popular on radio or television panderers. Not, at least,
    when they are honestly expressing their own views.

    > fingernails-on-chalkboard scale. I can usually stand about
    > ten minutes of Hannity, thirty seconds of Michael Savage

    I can stand Mr. Savage for nearly two minutes. Of all of those
    from above, even including Mr. O'Reilly, he's the only one
    whose sincerity I seriously question. Sometimes he's so far
    from conservative reality---or so it seems to me---so over the
    top in mindless denunciation of the motives of his political
    adversaries, that I think he's *deliberately* exaggerating.
    And the people who call in to agree with him---carefully
    screened in a way that Rush's listeners are not---appear to
    be those whose rage is so out of control, that they cannot
    hear the difference between sense and nonsense.

    gts adds

    > Yes, shock jocks.

    Really think so? You mean, like Howard Stern? I don't really
    have any clue as to the psychology of people who it is claimed
    listen or watch in order to be... thrilled? ...shocked?
    I think that even in the worst case above, like Michael Savage,
    people tune in to hear their own emotions expressed to a
    national audience. Now if they were simply after logical
    explication of their conservative views, they'd just listen
    to Rush.

    Lee



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