From: Dehede011@aol.com
Date: Sat Mar 29 2003 - 19:55:56 MST
In a message dated 3/29/2003 8:37:30 PM Central Standard Time,
phoenix@ugcs.caltech.edu quotes Lee Corbin: "My other theory is that the left
has inherited a tradition, or aspects of a tradition, that goes all the way
back to Lenin. In revolutionary Russia, Lenin and his followers labeled
themselves the Bolsheviks, or "Majority". It was a conscious.."
Then he chips in in reply, "Lenin is not part of the memetic history
of most US liberals. Really, he's not. This may be hard to accept if you're
someone like Dehede who likes to slather "socialist" all around, but it's
true. There may be some common roots between Lenis and social democracy,
going back to the first people outraged at the condition of the poor in the
19th century, but that's it. This "Bolshevik" connection is a fantasy."
Earlier today one of the list members was discussing the difference
between the left and the right. I have observed one of the differences is
that the communists and socialists never like to admit their political
beliefs. Instead we keep getting the latest nom de jour made up of the same
old leftovers from socialism/communism.
You mention that, "There may be some common roots between Lenin and
social democracy, going back to the first people outraged at the condition of
the poor in the 19th century." Please consult any history of the communist
movement. Lenin came straight out of the socialist movement and changed the
label to differentiate his brand of socialism from the earlier form. All
during the Soviet lifetime they referred to themselves as socialists time
without number.
I would not have intruded here if you had not included me in a
discussion you were having with Lee. I shall now turn you back to him.
Ron h.
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