Re:CLIMATE: Solar output increasing .05%/decade

From: mlorrey@yahoo.com
Date: Tue Mar 25 2003 - 08:08:14 MST

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    From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <mlorrey@yahoo.com>
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    On a serious note, I will say that if this study is accurate, then we do
    really need to do something to mitigate the impact of this over the long
    term, and I mean 'we' in the sense of us extropes, being the most pro-tech
    pro-solution types around. Or does something need to not be done?

    At the present time, though, the impact seems to be exclusively at the
    poles. Equatorial regions record little or no increase in temperature, despite
    receiving the brunt of the increased irradiance. It is, rather, that heat is
    being stopped up from radiating to space at the poles.

    Atmospheric data show that while high polar altitudes are getting colder,
    lower altitudes are getting warmer, indicating that there is a greenhouse
    effect occuring in the polar regions.

    At the same time, there is a problem of ozone holes at the poles allowing in
    increased UV, which kills off much plankton, upon which the ecosystems of
    both poles depend and is a major factor in carbon sequestration in the polar
    regions.

    Experts say that the problem of CFCs destroying ozone in the polar regions
    will self repair within a decade or two, so long as humans maintain a ban on
    CFC use. So, it appears that nothing further needs to be done to resolve the
    current greenhouse effect problem. If we find that having temperate climates
    in arctic regions is beneficial (more agricultural area, more seacoast to
    develop, etc), we might even desire to INCREASE CFC release.

    There is a longer term problem though that is real but not as dire as many
    claim.

    CO2 is a greenhouse gas, but too many assume that its impact is linear. They
    assume that an x percent increase in CO2 concentrations will result in an
    equal increase in the greenhouse effect. This simply is not the case. The
    assumption of a linear relationship is what contributes to the "melting
    icecaps will flood the world" predictions of many.

    In fact, increasing CO2 concentrations have a diminishing returns
    effect. Every additional percent increase results in increasingly reduced
    additional impact on thermal retention. This is the exact opposite of
    compounding interest. This means that there will be a problem, but its impact
    won't have any kind of seriousness for humanity for several centuries at the
    very least.

    The fact that this is a longer term problem suggests two things:
    a) it is more cost effective to wait for more advanced technologies to deal
    with the problem in the future, if it continues to be a problem at all.
    b) since we know the sun's output is cyclic (see Milankovic Cycles), it is
    entirely possible that by the time CO2 levels reach serious levels, we will
    need that protection against an impending ice age.

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