RE: [IRAQ]:Human Nature

From: Nathanael Allison (jubungalord@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Mar 24 2003 - 11:08:46 MST

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    Nate writes
    > > We have been taught to fit this mold of America. It has
    > > become our Nature.
    >

    Lee writes
    >Can't agree. No one "taught" the Americans anything. And
    >you cannot say it has become their Nature because dissent
    >is too widespread.

    I think that the real argument is with the development of the human mind. I
    don't think that genetic disposition matters when it comes to most memes. I
    would go so far as to say that the mind learns almost all unchangeable
    dispositions from the enviroment. In that way human nature as we see it
    wrong. I would even go farther to say that these learned systems are
    essential for a funtioning human being. This of course would be hard to
    prove. One would need to raise a human by machine since it's conception
    inside a vacuum. I am not saying that we are a blank slate. I am saying that
    our real nature has the ablity to be much more diverse than the one we have
    learned.

    All memes must follow genetic paths of language. I do not see why this
    process would evolve more control when the control is already present in the
    enviroment. People should realize that this enviroment of learning plays as
    great a part as does genetics. I wonder if one could calculate the time it
    would take for a human to evolve without this learning. Although such a
    creature would lose the flexability humans have now. It would still be
    interesting to find that humans would have taken X billions years to reach
    this piont given an enviroment where that human would perfectly fit (it's
    theoretical of course). Then a measurment could be compared to how long it
    has taken us thus far. The suprising thing would be if the theoretical human
    would take more than double the time a normal human took to evolve. Then
    some would say that the "enviromental evolution" plays a larger part than
    evolution.

    If anyone has any sources on this let me know. Thanks Nate

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