RE: No Planck limit for time!???

From: Reason (reason@exratio.com)
Date: Fri Feb 21 2003 - 23:57:27 MST

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    The transactional interpretation of QM uses retarded waves. Worth a look, as
    it very elegantly kicks MWI, observer privilege and whole bunch of other
    annoyances out of the window. As I understand it, it falls down because a
    lot of other physical theories (outside my area of specialty, unfortunately)
    demand that retarded waves don't exist or don't exist in large numbers
    relative to advanced waves.

    http://www.npl.washington.edu/npl/int_rep/tiqm/TI_toc.html

    Reason
    http://www.exratio.com/

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    > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:10 PM
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    > Subject: Re: No Planck limit for time!???
    >
    >
    > > "The Big Bang theory supposes that at the instant of creation, the
    > > quantum singularity that became the universe would need to have infinite
    > > density and temperature."
    >
    > Btw, many years ago somebody performed real experiments following
    > another idea. Unfortunately I've lost references and results. But,
    > I suppose, many authors already performed similar experiments in their
    > s.f. books!
    >
    > Let us imagine it is possible to build a consistent model
    > of photons (and gravitons? why not?), with a "retarded" wave
    > (from the past to the future) plus an "advanced" wave (from the
    > future to the past). Ok it is the usual Feynman-Wheeler approach.
    >
    > But the "advanced" wave (we can imagine) needs the "existence" of
    > a "target". Because the photon comes into existence if there is a
    > "source" (emitter of the retarded wave) and also a "target" (emitter
    > of the advanced wave).
    >
    > I remember that John Bell, talking with Davies, told him that a
    > "super-determinism" would perhaps solve the business of QM (The Ghost
    > in the Atom, page 47). Now the retarded + advanced waves model actually
    > imposes a "super-determinism" on the universe.
    >
    > Now imagine there is a discrete and real "target" out there (hence
    > in a different time).
    >
    > In example, assume the earth is x years old. An emitter of the retarded
    > wave, far away from the earth, required (x light years ago) that the
    > forming earth ("target") must emit the advanced wave backwards in time.
    >
    > A highly collimated laser radiating into the outer space, with
    > a very very small angle, could show some effect. Because if waves were
    > beamed, at various directions in the outer space, and some power
    > fluctuations in the transmitter were observed, it could mean that the
    > outer space is not uniform. That is to say that sometimes there are,
    > or there are not, out there, "targets" receiving retarded waves and
    > emitting advanced waves.
    >
    > Ok here we might find something similar to the Olbers' paradox! So,
    > better to stop here.
    >
    > Oh no, wait. Sometimes science >> fiction. I do not remember if
    > Greenberger or who else wrote that it is possible to write down
    > a quantum state [I remember this state written on a blackboard]
    > in which (not just 2 but) 3 particles are entangled in a very
    > peculiar way. This one. If particle 1 is found to have the spin 'up',
    > then particles 2 and 3 are entangled. If particle 1 is found to have
    > the spin 'down', the particle 2 and 3 get disentangled. Now let us
    > put particle 1 in a remote (say space-like separated) region.
    > Yet a 'chance' event, befalling particle 1, strongly influences
    > the mutual relationship betwwen particles 2 and 3!
    >
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