Re: IRAQ sort of: Re: Tim May calls for nuking of D.C.

From: Geoff Tillman (Geoff_Tillman@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri Feb 21 2003 - 10:19:47 MST

  • Next message: Kai M. Becker: "Re: IRAQ sort of: Re: Tim May calls for nuking of D.C."

    Unfortunately if the public perceived a politician to be serving other
    interests over American interests he would not stay in office very long. The
    Kyoto treaty is a good example..The Senate was not going to ratify for any
    reason, had the president pushed for it he would have been killed at the
    polls. States have always acted in there own best interest and it is very
    naive to believe otherwise. If the rest of the world disagrees with American
    action they will attempt to change things. This is a MAJOR flaw in the UN
    charter. The security council does not give the great powers any real way to
    solve there conflicts. And the General assembly gives the lesser powers far
    to much say over the middle and great powers. The only real answer would be
    to either get rid of the great power veto (impossible) or make votes in the
    general assembly weighted (on population, wealth, military power, GNP..or
    some combination) Or scrap the whole thing and start over.
    I guess the point of my rant is....The world is, for now governed by power.
    this is a fact. If we want things to change we can work at that but we
    should not pretend that "international law" is really LAW. It can and has
    changed many times over the last few centurys at the will of great powers
    and will change to meet their needs many times in the future.

    okay end of rant




    -------Original Message-------

    From: extropians@extropy.org
    Date: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:00:39
    To: extropians@extropy.org
    Subject: Re: IRAQ sort of: Re: Tim May calls for nuking of D.C.

    Geoff Tillman schrieb:
    > American politicians are elected by the American People to serve
    > American interests. That is the very nature of a democratic goverment.

    If (US)American politicians only care for (US)American interests,
    they'll soon see, that the other 5.75 bio. humans have ways to make
    their interests clear. Be it diplomatic talks, demonstrations - or
    attempted airplane landings in large buildings.

    > The UN in neither a world goverment nor is it democratic by any means.
    > If you do not like that system then work to create a democratic world
    > state but don't believe it exists yet.

    No, such a democratic world government doesn't exist yet, and perhaps we
    shouldn't want one, but there are such things as international treaties
    and one party - by far not the only one, but the most important - that
    ignores signed treaties is the US government. They broke bilateral
    treaties (Nicaragua, th US got even convicted for this), presented faked
    evidence to justify wars (Vietnam, Golf War I, Grenada), support
    dictators, war lords and even extreme religious fanatics and give a shit
    for freedom and democracy, whenever they have to choose between what is
    right and what serves US interests. Saddam Hussein got his Anthrax stems
    from Mr. Donald Rumsfeld himself.

    It's no wonder we see no progress in non-military solutions of
    conflicts, when the most important factor for this process doesn't
    behave in a civilized way. The message to other regimes is clear,
    especially to those with a likewise "flexible" moral: Might makes right.
    Therefore, the US foreign policy of the last 40 years is one of the
    major forces _against_ more democracy and freedom.

    Kai

    --
    == Kai M. Becker == kmb@cameron.kn-bremen.de == Bremen, Germany ==
    "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced"
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