Re: Hydrogen as SCAM?

From: Charles Hixson (charleshixsn@earthlink.net)
Date: Fri Feb 14 2003 - 11:13:31 MST

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    Gary Miller wrote:

    >> Leeching out of glass is slow,
    >>but leeching out of glass covered with asphalt would take??? If
    >>you're really paranoid, you could encase the whole thing in powdered
    >>plaster.
    >>
    >>
    >
    >I remember when I used to work for DOE some of the HAZMAT guys said that
    >the waste molecules are
    >very heavy and when the get in water they tend to sink to the bottom and
    >stay in the mud unless the
    >mud is stirred up.
    >
    >What about dumping the waste once in is encased in glass in Marinas
    >trench? It is over 7 miles deep.
    >We could never generate enough waste to even fill up an eighth of a mile
    >at the bottom.
    >
    >Life at the bottom of the trench should be very minimal due to the
    >complete lack of sunlight, cold temperature and extreme pressure.
    >
    >It would also be safe from curiosity seekers or terrorists since
    >technology to descend to these depths is ultra expensive and dangerous.
    >
    >
    >
    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: owner-extropians@extropy.org [mailto:owner-extropians@extropy.org]
    >On Behalf Of Rafal Smigrodzki
    >Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:13 PM
    >To: extropians@extropy.org
    >Subject: RE: Hydrogen as SCAM?
    >
    >
    >
    >Charles Hixson wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Rafal Smigrodzki wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>Ev Mick wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>In a message dated 02/03/2003 10:29:46 AM Central Standard Time,
    >>>>kmb@kai-m-becker.de writes:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>If Uranium would be as inert and safe for the biosphere as coal or
    >>>>gas, and if the process from Uranium to energy and the disposal of
    >>>>the waste would be as safe as with coal or gas, I'd agree with you.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Would you agree then that it would be safe were nuclear wastes to be
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >
    >
    >
    >>>>dropped into tectonic plate subduction zones? Kind of
    >>>>remote...that.....removed from the biosphere altogether I'd say.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>### Subduction zones are geologically pretty unstable, and are
    >>>covered with water - so it's very difficult to drill tunnels, the
    >>>tunnels can get damaged by earthquakes, and the waste can get
    >>>dissolved in water (as in black smoker vents). Also, the removal from
    >>>
    >>>
    >
    >
    >
    >>>biosphere would take geological amounts of time (hundreds of
    >>>thousands of years), compared to a few thousand years for the
    >>>radionuclides to decay.
    >>>
    >>>Deep burial in dry rock is better. It is just as effective in
    >>>removing the waste from the biosphere.
    >>>
    >>>Rafal
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>How about reasonably deep burial (no need to be excessive), but
    >>vitrify it first. If that doesn't seem sufficient, then embed the
    >>glass into asphalt, and bury that.
    >>
    >>
    >
    >### I am all for it.
    >
    > Leeching out of glass is slow,
    >
    >
    >>but leeching out of glass covered with asphalt would take??? If
    >>you're really paranoid, you could encase the whole thing in powdered
    >>plaster.
    >>
    >>
    >
    >### Titanium alloy would be even better.
    >
    >Rafal
    >
    There's lots that would be better. I was just looking for "good
    enough". And I don't want to drop it in the ocean, because I suspect
    that at some point it would become a valuable resource. So don't make
    it too hard to reach on purpose. Titanium has too high a melt
    temperature, and is too hard to work.. I was thinking of just covering
    it with plaster, and them putting a wax coat over the plaster. That was
    to keep out water, not people. (Vitrified glass might be a decent heat
    source, but after a very few years it would be too "cool" to be very
    reasonable weapon material.)

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