Re: Where the I is

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Date: Tue Feb 11 2003 - 23:18:32 MST

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    > > Is a cloud an "illusion"? Is something that is constantly
    > > shifting for that reason "illusion"? If so, then what does it
    > > matter? Matter itself is consistently shifting at the
    > > fundamental level.

    Our forthcoming control of our neural patterning will mean that
    we can choose to keep memories or thought types subject only
    to the limits of our storage capabilities and control capabilities.
    These would seem to be under current understanding about
    200 million times the current level, more if augmentation is
    greater or biological componentry is replaced. Currently our
    neurons and their firing pattern do change and some die, but
    generically they do not regrow, nor disappear when we sleep, so
    continuity is a principle. Change, then, is interlinked with
    continuity currently (there are principles at work, directions).
    In the future we will be able to choose these. Those who adopt
    stasis scenarios are making a valid choice, although whether this
    can be adhered to over scales of over 10-100 billion years is yet to be
    determined (even with external memory sources).

    The self is informed by the actions of others. We know this from
    studies of animals raised without contact. The self exists neurologically,
    which we know from the effects of brain defects.

    Fused twins who brains are partially fused still do not share much even
    at the motor-sensory level, from my readings. Therefore the sense of self
    is linked to the map of the brain as it stands. To interlink the sense of
    self with another individual will require specially designed interfacing and
    rewiring of the brain. Interlinking of the senses is another matter.
    However,
    our sense of self is lodged somewhere in the architecture of our brains, and
    in a lesser sense in some other species. Possibly it is a combination of
    generic facillities, some form of "opening" between compartments of the
    brain and specialized centres.

    Personally emotionally I see the self as informed by the actions of others,
    surrounded by an egoshield with a subconscious and superconscious
    (altruistic level).

    Brain design indicates different levels of evolutionary development present
    in the brain. In this sense, an additional "layer" could be nanofilaments of
    computronium and also molecular supercomputers/cell repair machines inside
    each neuron/dendrite.

    Pesonally I see continuous broadcast linkage as an option, but uploading as
    a great fallacy equal to that of belief in a soul. Tipler's quantum
    splitting is
    understandable to me but there seems to be no evidence of a soul. I would
    of course create a soul if that were possible. But in the absence of it or
    proof of Tipler I would never upload. Atomic level near-duplicates of me
    would have to mourn the permanent death of their near-twin or parent.
    Uploading is merely childbirth with your parent's memories attached. In this
    sense it would be unethical to create a new being without seeking consent to
    insert memories of the parent. Similarly, if reinacarnation were possible it
    would
    be unethical to insert memories into the developing fetus.

    This is something I haven't fully appreciated before. New beings, whether
    human
    or silicon-based or whatever, deserve to have the capacity to self-boost and
    free
    will present, at least upon reaching maturation within fairly defined
    limits, and also
    deserve to have the option of accepting or rejecting memories. The issue of
    "instincts"
    is there of course, and in the world of designer brains this is a debate
    (see Greg Egan).
    Nonetheless the rights of the child do seem to argue against many versions
    of uploading
    in fiction.

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