Re: Performance enhancement with selegiline

From: gts (gts_2000@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri Feb 07 2003 - 01:21:23 MST

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    Rafal wrote:

    >>gts wrote:
    >>> As stated in the following abstract, from DATATOP, "The study found
    >>> that deprenyl [selegiline] treatment almost halved the risk of
    >>> reaching a stage of Parkinsonism at which the start of levodopa
    >>> treatment becomes imperative for lessening disability."
    >>> That looks like potent neuroprotection to me.
    >
    > >### It isn't. DATATOP found a *delay* in reaching the levodopa-requiring
    > >level of symptomatology, not a reduction in total risk.

    It has never been my claim that selegiline is a cure for the disease, Rafal.
    There is no cure for PD. Selegiline is merely a treatment for it. Once
    diagnosed correctly with PD, the risk of dying from PD related causes is
    basically 100 percent. So yes, of course there is no reduction in "total
    risk." But some studies do show an extension in lifespan in PD with
    selegiline+levodopa vs levodopa alone.

    Many, many dozens of published studies state, suggest, or offer evidence of
    the neuroprotective value of selegiline in PD. I'm amazed that you have not
    done more research in medline into this area. The DATATOP abstract itself
    begins to discuss the possible means by which selegiline is neuroprotective,
    (which I notice that you have conveniently ignored), but in any case DATATOP
    is not the only data available. In some studies selegiline does in fact
    extend lifespan in PD patients, and it's certainly already done so in lab
    animals.

    >>As background: there was once a hypothesis that levodopa accelerates the
    >>attrition of dopaminergic neurons, and that levodopa-sparing therapy would
    >>delay the onset of dyskinesias which usually develop after about 5-7 years
    >>on levodopa, and perhaps prolong survival. A nice hypothesis, but not
    >>true -substituting dopa-agonists or selegiline for levodopa in initial
    treatment
    >>does not delay the onset of dyskinesia. ...

    I think are mistaken here to include selegiline in the same class of drugs
    as levodopa. Levodopa is merely a simple dopamine agonist -- actually it's
    not even that -- it's merely an ordinary amino acid and a precursor to
    dopamine. Selegiline's actions are far more complex and less well
    understood.

    If you were really on top of this subject, Rafal, then I believe you and I
    would not be arguing whether selegiline is neuroprotective. Instead we might
    be arguing how and why it is neuroprotective. Several theories have been
    advanced. For example it may protect neurons because it reduces the levels
    of toxic by-products of MAO-B metabolism, or it may protect neurons because
    it increases the levels of the natural antioxidants SOD and catalase. At
    the moment I tend to support the latter theory.

    Below is yet another published study about selegiline and neuroprotection.

    In this abstract below, of a study published much more recently than
    DATATOP, selegiline (deprenyl) was found to protect neurons from
    free-radical damage in a dose dependent manner. It is suggested further that
    the drug should be "applicable to delay the deterioration of neurons during
    advancing aging..."

    ---
    ABSTRACT:
    Neuroprotection by deprenyl and related compounds
    Maruyama W, Naoi M
    Department of Basic Gerontology,
    National Institute for Longevity Sciences  Obu, Japan.
    maruyama@nils.go.jp
    Mech Ageing Dev 1999 Nov; 111(2-3):189-200
    There is an increasing number of data by in vitro and in vivo experiments,
    indicating that (-)-deprenyl is neuroprotective to dopamine neurons, even
    though detailed mechanism remains to be clarified.  In this paper
    neuroprotection by (-)-deprenyl and structurally related compounds was
    examined in concern with the suppression of apoptosis induced by a reactive
    oxygen species, peroxynitrite generated from SIN-1.  The apoptotic DNA
    damage was quantitatively determined using dopaminergic SH-SYSY cells and by
    a single cell gel electrophoresis (comet) assay.  DNA damage induced by
    peroxynitrite was proved to be apoptotic by prevention of the damage by
    cycloheximide or actinomycin-D. (-)-Deprenyl and other propargylamines
    protected the cells from apoptosis in a dose-dependent way. (-)-Deprenyl
    protected the cells even after it was washed out, suggesting that it may
    initiate the intracellular process to repress the apoptotic death program.
    The study on the structure-activity relationship of (-)-deprenyl analogues
    revealed that a N-propargyl residue with adequate size of hydrophobic
    structure is essentially required for the anti-apoptotic activity.  These
    results suggest that (-)-deprenyl and related compounds may protect neurons
    from apoptosis and be applicable to delay the deterioration of neurons
    during advancing ageing and in neurodegenerative disorders.
    ---
    I have spent literally years of life studying and following this drug
    deprenyl (selegiline). I take a small dose of it every day, (with occasional
    two week breaks), for anti-aging purposes, much in the same way that I take
    my vitamins. I don't take prescription drugs lightly, but as someone
    interested in anti-aging via any means (chemical or otherwise) I can tell
    you that this drug is extremely interesting and very promising.
    The only public relations black-eye the drug has ever suffered occurred a
    few years ago, when an epidemiological study raised some concerns that
    adding selegiline to l-dopa might increase rather than decrease mortality
    rates in PD. However, as I've stated previously, subsequent metastudies have
    removed those concerns and restored selegiline to its rightful place in PD
    treatment. Other studies show that selegiline increases lifespan in animals
    as well as human PD patients.
    -gts
    


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