Re: Quantum superposition, microtubules & MVT consciousness

From: Steve (steve@multisell.com)
Date: Thu Feb 06 2003 - 17:49:10 MST

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    > Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:22:08 +0100
    > From: Anders Sandberg <asa@nada.kth.se>
    > Subject: Re: Quantum superposition, microtubules & MVT consciousness
    >
    > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 10:39:51AM -0000, Steve wrote:
    >
    > > My physics is not particularly strong, but perhaps someone could tell
    > > me why a seeming observation of dual occupation of "space" might not
    > > really be a blur caused by dual/ persistent occupation of different
    > > points in time?
    >
    > What do you mean? It doesn't make much sense to me. Are you talking
    > about the uncertainty relations? The uncertainty of position of a
    > particle can be viewed as an uncertainty in time fairly easily; if the
    > observer is moving relative to the observed system relativity will cause
    > a mixing of space and time, making the uncertainty a combination of
    > both. [Delta x * Delta p >= hbar and Delta t * Delta E >= hbar can be
    > seen as statements about the spatial and time components of the
    > relativistic location and momentum vectors].

    OK, yes, this is what I thought... superposition can be viewed as
    uncertainty in time.

    > > In that case, if there is a 'lag' between different times, then the
    > > MVT persistent phantom pineal eye could well have quantum connectivity
    > > with our brains because of dual occupancy of time...... no 'physical'
    > > pineal eye now, but it
    > > did start to develop in us embryonically, so has a biological latency
    > > and pattern, so maybe has an engram or organisational effect in our
    > > brains on quantum level.
    >
    > This doesn't make much sense either. Note that the uncertainty relations
    > doesn't say that things have to happen at separate times, and in any
    > case relativity makes the concept of 'simultaneously' disappear - two
    > events that occur at different times to one observer can appear
    > simultaneous to another observer who is moving relative to the first.

    This is a fairly mundane point and not what I am trying to find out. Must
    admit
    that I am fishing a bit here, and not too up to speed with theoretical
    physics.
    I guess there are just "observers" ultimately, and Shrodingers cat &c. are
    just observer-related effects .., but I want to know if sub atomic
    particles
    (which are not directly observable, and can only be inferred by their
    effects)
    leave some sort of "trail" or prescence in space over time? Is a donut that
    once
    was solid but now a ring absolutely identical with a donut that was made as
    a
    ring and always that shape, even if the two are atomically equivalent now?

    Best
    Steve
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