From: Dehede011@aol.com
Date: Thu Jan 23 2003 - 09:39:45 MST
In a message dated 1/23/2003 9:34:04 AM Central Standard Time, 
naddy@mips.inka.de writes: The raving US American nationalists that have 
largely hijacked this list since September 11, 2001 (and diverted it from 
Extropian themes to atavistic talk securely rooted in the frame of mind of 
the nation states from the first half of the 20th century--but I digress)
Naddy,
       I don't think you digressed, at least not very much if at all.  If 
America is reduced to an impotent mess exactly how do you think this will 
affect the world the Extropians are hoping to build.  When Europe is second 
in the list of people to be reduced to impotence where will the Extropian 
world be then.
       Or could you possibly mean that Sadaam and Osama will now turn into 
lambs and peaceably lie down together to chew their cuds?  If so I can't see 
how you could possibly come to that conclusion.
       My interpretation, and this is surely no surprise, of your attitude is 
that you do see a threat to we Americans and you are quite willing to 
sacrifice America to your short term safety.  But me and many other Americans 
will not stand still to allow your vision for our future to come to pass.  
For that you pull out your curse, "Nationalists."
       When I say the time for talking is over I mean only that it is time 
for you to recognise that we not going to be destroyed by the likes of 
Sadaam/Osama without exerting ourselves to the fullest.  Nor or we going to 
be endlessly sidetracked into an impotent debate by Europeans that privately 
hate us and wish to see us fall -- like you.
       You called our position "incrediably distorted."   I see yours as 
incrediably cold and self serving.  You want to see our citizenry killed, you 
want to see us threatened by further injury and you want to see us stand 
quietly until we are hurt again.  And, for what purpose, so someone you 
resent can get his just deserts.
Ron h.
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