>I believe that the most powerful collective will be one in which each member 
>sacrifices nothing but gains tremendously by being in the collective, where 
>the whole situation is 'win-win' for everyone, including the collective 
>itself.
        Good post.  I personally have been toying around with the concept of
'individuals together' for quite some time.  I think that it is one aspect
of libertarianism that is often not considered on this list.  I agree with
David's notion that many objectivists->extropians are taken aback by the
thought of 'collective'.  Instantly, thoughts of 'self-sacrifice' and poverty
(as opposed to sugar-plums) dance around in many of our heads at the mere
sound of the word.  However, the way David (and most perceptual
libertarians) see it is as a necessity to political and social
individuality.  Oddly enough, the only way I can sum up my ideas on the
matter is through one of my poems: "Bluntly"; especially in these lines:
        So heart with heart
        Hand in hand
        Us two Gods
        Shall shape this land
        Separate as two
        Together as one
        Teach one another
        Acceptation
        
                                        Ingredi Externus!
                                                -E. Shaun Russell
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	    	  -The past is the only inevitability-
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