Re: Private Property and Capitalism

Ian Goddard (
Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:03:14 -0400

At 11:58 AM 10/14/96 -0400, Suresh Naidu wrote:

> India is a good example of capitalism running amuck.

IAN: Obviously you hadn't noticed, but India is one of the most
heavily bureaucratized and economically nationalized nations of
the "Western" democracies. The Indian govt, having largely crushed
native free enterprise, quickly accepts big foreign investment
deals that put big-bucks into the coffers of politicians.

Ignoring the anti-laissez faire facts, one promotes the economic
autarchy and nationalist socialism that will keep those "lower
class" workers from ever having job options other than govt
service jobs that have produced only crushing serfdom. If
multi-national employment does the same for workers, it's
because the politicians have worked hard to prevent any
outcome for the population other than poverty.

> The reason they want it? Because we have kept them so destitute that they
> will do anything to survive. I see something immoral in keeping a section
> of populace as cheap reserve labour for our needs.

IAN: Considering the endemic poverty in third world nations has been
caused by the anti-capitalist measures you endorse, your hardly in any
position to point the finger at capitalists. But then, as I've shown,
logical thinking is hardly the forte of socialists. The more effectively
they can conceal the role of govt in the every tragedies they bemoan,
the more effectively they can ensure continuing State power and the
subjugation of the masses to the service of the central planners.

> shirts made in Haiti by women paid seven cents an hour and sold for twenty
> seven dollars. Where does the money go? I see something immoral there.

IAN: The Haitian govt has largely crushed the free
enterprise of its people.

>Okay, sure. Money's fine as a reprensentative device. But currently it is
>not doing a good job. And, our system demands that everybody gets as much
>money as possible. Within a commune, people grow a lot of stuff, instead
>of haing backyards that just look pretty, they can grow food. What they
>can't grow they get from other communes. But the thing is, everybody does
>what they can. One thing I like about both
>sides of Anarchy is that they are totally dynamic. A system can change
>easily to meet needs. If one commune screws up, the people can leave and
>go their individual ways.

IAN: Out of hundreds of communal experiments across the U.S., none prove
to be dynamic systems that foster material progress and/or innovation.
They are, for the most part, stagnant backwaters that quickly fall apart.
Realizing the failure of voluntary collectivism, the socialists then
call for forceing everyone into a grand central socialist plan.

> The fact that all his stuff is built on the information the establishment
> feeds is amazing. A wonderful example of biting the hand that feeds.

IAN: Ya right, Noam Chomsky supports big govt.

> Hmm, maybe. Co-ops don't work well on a large scale, unlike cults or
> corporations. Where they do work, however, is in the industries that are
> the most exploited. Agriculture, for example, has always worked better
> with labour coops than corporate farming. As I said before, I am looking
> into starting a software co-op, but who knows what may happen.

IAN: Cooperative farming is not illegal in the U.S., but
it does not seem that have blown out the competition.

> But you, with your business, are not hampered by anything like morals.
> So it is perfectly acceptable for you to fire anyone who tries to
> campaign for better working conditions. You may be more properous, and
> you may be freer. But the people you employ won't be, and they are far
> more numerous than you.

IAN: The average person in the nation in which employers are free to
fire, is a wealthier person than average people anywhere on earth. This
right here shows that you believe it is wrong to be able to fire a worker,
and thus that free association is wrong -- hardly anarchistic and clearly
promoting of State regulation.

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