Re: Snipe Snipe Snipe

David McFadzean (
Fri, 04 Oct 1996 15:39:29 -0600

At 01:47 AM 04/10/96 -0700, Hara Ra wrote:
>OK listadmin, post the FAQ. I'd do so, but lost it in a crash of my
>system last month.

You can retrieve the list's info file at any time by sending
"info extropians" to

>>>> info extropians

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"Matter and Consciousness", by Paul M. Churchland
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"The Selfish Gene," and "The Blind Watchmaker" by Richard Dawkins
"Engines of Creation" and "Unbounding the Future" by K.Eric Drexler
"The Machinery of Freedom: Guide to a Radical Capitalism " by David Friedman
"Cryonics: Reaching for Tomorrow", The Alcor Life Extension Foundation
"Mind Children: The Future of Robot and Human Intelligence", by Hans Moravec
"The Ultimate Resource", by Julian L. Simon
"Great Mambo Chicken and the Transhuman Condition" by Ed Regis a few essays...

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The Extropian Principles, v.2.5 --
On Becoming Posthuman --

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"Extropianism is a philosophy of life. Max More, editor of Extropy,
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- Boundless Expansion
- Self Transformation
- Dynamic Optimism
- Intelligent Technology
- Spontaneous Order

"You can see that the basic point is a belief that the
future will allow virtually unlimited expansion in the possibilities
for our own personal lives. Extropians reject limits imposed by
outsiders on what we can do and what we can become. We embrace the
future, with all of its awe-inspiring possibilities.

"The role of [these] books is to show that these aren't just idle
musings and hopes, but are well-grounded expectations about what we
are going to have to work with in the next century. Without having
read those books, such common-place Extropian ideas as immortality or
a world without governments might seem absurd.

"If you haven't read these books but want to ask questions about these
and other Extropian ideas, the problem is that the answer is usually
going to be, first read the book. You can't answer a question about
the possibility for immortality in a page or two, not in any kind of
convincing way.

"Now, after you've read some of these books, you still may not agree
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"Of course, some people will be opposed to Extropian ideas not because
they seem impractical, but because they seem immoral. Re-read the list
of Extropian principles above. If you don't agree with them, if you
don't agree that we should attempt to break through all the limits
that constrain us today, then you probably won't benefit from
discussion with Extropians.

"The Extropian list is not meant to proselytize, to gain converts.
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"To sum up, the Extropians lists welcome members who share an interest
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learn more about what we can and will become. If you're more
experienced, they offer discussion and feedback with a high level of
quality and responsiveness. The future is coming, and the Extropian
lists offer you a chance to get ready for the fantastic opportunities
that await us all."

End quote. Enjoy the List.

David McFadzean
Manager of the Extropian Mailing List


Max More
President, Extropy Institute

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David McFadzean       
Memetic Engineer      
Ideosphere Inc.