Re: Omega Point Theories Are Depressing

Anders Sandberg (
Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:11:16 +0200 (MET DST)

On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Chris Hind wrote:

> I dunno about you Anders, but my opinion is that Omega Point theories are
> depressing from what I was reading on your page about Tipler's idea that our
> mental processes can speed up to the point where the last seconds of the
> collapse of the universe can seem like an eternity. It just seems kinda
> depressing that it all *EVENTUALLY* would end.

Would it? Remember, there is no outside time of the universe (where an
observer would see the end of the Big Crunch and then nothin), just time
*inside* the universe. And there are many different ways of experiencing
time, none of which are absolute. To a being in an OP-universe, it could
experience an infinite amount of experiences, without *ever* dying or
seeing the world crumble into quantum ashes.

> At least if we have uploading
> by 2030 we could already speed up our mental processes while the universe is
> expanding (not contracting) and the year after that could be equal to a
> million which gives us *PLENTY* of time to figure out FTL (faster than
> light) travel.

Yes, of course. Who said the OPT rules out that scenario? In fact, in my
personal view we will first upload, and then become the von Neumann probes
(i.e. posthuman explorers and colonists) spreading across the universe.

Anders Sandberg Towards Ascension!
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