Re: SOC: As goes Kansas...(evolution)

Robert Owen (
Sat, 09 Oct 1999 17:51:11 -0400

Bryan Moss wrote:

> John K Clark wrote:
> > The religious correctly conclude that if Evolution is true and God exists
> > then He's a sadistic monster.
> God can still be good even if we mortals interpret his actions as evil and
> sadistic. That's the reason you worship Him, so he'll be impressed by your
> faith and maybe take a little pity on your arrogant mortal needs.

Christian mystics have always, in one way or another, affirmed as an epistemological caveat a "doctrine of ignorance". C.f. Jacob Boehme, Angelus Silesius, and Meister Eckhart. Of course the Scholastic philosopher believed that God can be known to some extent by means of axiomatic deduction -- St. Thomas Acquinas.

If we assume the being of a "hypertranscendental" or "supernatural" object whose properties are omniscence, omnipresence, and omnipotence, then I suppose the human dualities of "goodevil", "loving-sadistic" and so on cannot, by definition, have the slightest relevance to the essence of this object. In this sense, Bryan, it is also inappropriate to say "God is Good".

Spinoza said simply that God is sui generis, and Moses used the term "jahweh" rather than "eloi" when reporting God's self-definition to humans: "I am what I am" is what "jahweh" means in Hebrew. Parenthetically, Jesus on the cross used another tradition when he said "Eloi, eloi, lama sabachthani?" or "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" in Aramaic.

Robert M. Owen
The Orion Institute
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Brevard, NC 28712-3659 USA