> > Webb_S wrote:
> >There are (or once were) many American "patriots" who would gladly lay
> >their lives for the state. I'm sure these people would all deny that they
> >were being coerced.
> Of course, to the extent they gladly (read willingly) laid down their
> lives, I agree they weren't coerced. What's this have to do with the topic
> at hand?
The mark of effective brain washing is that the victim does not even beleive that he or she has been brainwashed. Just as with experiments with people having parts of their brain stimulated by instruments. The subjects all think that the reason they do what they do in response to the stimuli was completely their own idea, not the result of implanted instruments.
I was once so brainwashed, which is why I served in the military. I have been able to break the programming for the most part, and know that the system is rotten to the core.