Re: Child abuse (Was Re: Is the death penalty Extropian?)

J. R. (
Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:52:59 -0800

From: den Otter <>
>Well, it is true that many of society's problems are caused by parents
>abusing their kids. In fact, afaik, child abuse is a much bigger problem
>than all other crimes combined. Of course it doesn't explain *all* criminal
>activity, as some criminals are simply "born evil" and some crimes are
>fairly rational or due to circumstance. Nevertheless, solving the problem
>of child abuse should be high on every government's agenda (for various
>practical and "moral" reasons).

Right spot on, den; and thanks for the reinforcement. I think this merits a place on Extropian agendas as well.

>How to deal with it?
>a) Compulsory psychological screening and parenting tests for everyone who
>children (let them care for a very annoying "automatic" baby that has,
>em, full bodily functions etc. for about a month. That should put off most
>unprepared parents).
>b) No children if you can't support them financially (abuse is especially
>rampant in poor families. Everyone's frustrated (nothing gets people more
>on edge than financial problems, as I know from personal experience),
>the parents are often drunks, the father beats the kids and his wife
>because he's a dumb, frustrated asshole etc. You know the picture...)
>Ironically, those that can least afford it often have the most children.
>c) A special police service for abuse victims: if you're being abused
>at home (or any other place for that matter), the police will install a
>domestic surveillance system without the abuser's knowledge and
>monitor the situation. Evidence gathered in this way will be used in
>court. Incidentally, the monitoring service can also be installed if
>others (such as doctors, friends of the alleged victim, school officials)
>point out a household as potentially abusive).
>d) Tough punishments for abusers (jail time and corporal punishment).
>After jail (or in the case of minor abuse after a stern warning/fine)
>permanent installment of cameras in the offender's house, as a
>preventive measure and to serve as evidence should abuse reoccur.
>The victim gets a personal alarm, which summons the police (after
>checking via integral phone and the cam system). In a libertarian
>scenario, this would be a PPA (but, how does a kid pay a PPA?
>e) In more severe cases the victim would be placed in a special
>caring center (with varying degrees of independence according to
>age, but generally speaking a lot of freedom, according to the
>golden rule). Separate living quarters for everyone, of course full
>surveillance (appartment surveillance is optional, not compulsory)
>to prevent any abuse or other irregularities by staff (strict selection,
>few or no men) or other occupants. The general feel should be that
>of a vacation resort or a hotel, *not* a (pedophile & fascist-ridden )
>prison. Education is, of course, "transhuman style", with a lot of
>emphasis on rational thinking, personal empowerment etc. Multiple
>generations of rational, law-abiding and progressive individuals
>would likely be the pleasant (side-) effect of the anti-abuse program.
>f) Of course, the abusers (should they ever get out of jail) would
>be slapped with a perpetual restraining order, to be enforced by
>an electronic ankle bracelet (or something more sophisticated).
>The former victim gets a receiver that goes off whenever the
>abuser gets within the "forbidden" (1 mile for ex.) radius. Of course
>the police also get a beep. Should the abuser somehow manage
>to do harm to the victim anyway (or abuse someone else), he
>goes to jail (labor camp) for life (or at least a *long* time). Should
>he kill his victim, he is to be executed in a most unpleasant way.
>g) It goes without saying that known abusers are *never ever*
>allowed to have kids (again).

All your recommendations seem reasonable, rational, and eminently pragmatic. In addition, it seems clear that uploading for any who carry memes of dysfunctional parenting ought not to occur. --J. R.