At 10:13 AM 10/26/98 +1300, J. Maxwell Legg wrote:
>Max More wrote:
>>
>> At 03:25 PM 10/24/98 +1300, you wrote:
>> >
>> >"as with all the links in my bookmarks, I do not necessarily agree with
>> >all the sentiments expressed therein. For example in the Extropian
>> >Principles 3.0 and The Journal of Transhumanism, the term 'economic
>> >growth' relies on capitalism and a price system which to my way of
>> >thinking are at odds with a public-AI decentralised data fusion, Survey
>> >Society.
>>
>> You've lost me here. How does the term "economic growth" rely on any
>> particular system? "Economic growth" means no more than an increase in the
>> total measurable output of an economy. It does not specify how that economy
>> is organized. The current version of the Principles does not even mention
>> the price system.
>
>Let me quote how you qualified the use of the term "economic growth".
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>Robin Hanson's JOT ABSTRACT http://www.transhumanist.com/
>
> "Economic growth is determined by the supply and
>demand of investment capital; "
>
>Max More EP 3.0 http://www.extropy.org/extprn3.htm
>
>"The market price system encourages conservation, substitution,
>and innovation, preventing any need for a brake on
>growth and progress. "
>
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>
>I say: Investment capital and the market price system mean
>only one thing; - money. Although the market system
>is analysed as a negative feedback loop, money has
>been shown to create self re-inforcing positive
>feedback loops of wealth/poverty vicious circles.
I'm usually more frugal in quoting the message I'm replying to, but all of the above seems to be needed for context here.
First let me note that I understand your response, thanks to your elaboration. I was thinking of the changes I made in the Principles when moving from "Spontaneous Order" to "Open Society". Part of my intent was to leave open the possibility of alternative, non-monetary, non-price system decentralized mechanisms. Although I firmly believe that a market price system *currently* is the best way to ensure freedom and growing wealth for everyone (to the extent that governments refrain from tampering other than to refine the underlying legal rules), I do not want to rule out the possibility of a replacement in future. I *do* want the Principles to rule out a coercive, centralized allocation system that compels individuals to follow orders. A transhumanist could believe in the desirability of such a system, but they would not be an Extropian transhumanist.
Thanks for your feedback, Maxwell.
Onward!
Max
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