Re: Hydrogen cars, et al. A re-evaluation from several different perspectives. [Re: QUOTE: Bey on e

Abraham Moses Genen ()
Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:00:19 -0500


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Abraham Moses Genen
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Being dedicated to the future progress of humankind=20
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Michael Butler wrote:

>Hydrogen economy which generates the hydrogen by directly or indirectly =
burning
>fossil fuels, either to generate electricity or to farm land for fuel =
crops, is a
>huge net inefficiency. You're just moving the pollution and fossil fuel =
use
>around, not reducing it. Solar and fusion are possibilities, but either =
one is
>very capital-intensive and unlikely to pay for itself in a reasonable =
time. Guess
>what that leaves? It leaves hypotech (my portmanteau word for =
hypothetical
>technology} that reforms fossil fuels at the point of use, then feeds =
_that_ to a
>fuel cell. Some people claim to have it. We'll see. "Pure" H2 =
technology as a
>significant base for the economy just isn't in the cards--unless you =
palm a few.
>MMB

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Dear fellow Extropians:

It would appear from cumulative evidence provided by the USDOE, the =
USDOT and various Asian and European University and industrial research =
centers that possibly Michael might be in error.

Apparently, most new fuel cell technologies use hydrocarbon fuels =
somewhat more efficiently than internal combustion engines and polute =
substantially less or not at all. It would also appear that as the =
technologies develop, the probable efficiency of hydrogen activated fuel =
cell systems will increase substantially. Methods are also currently =
being perfected to store hydrogen fuels simply and efficiently as well.

The effects of this technology -- and other alternative fuel and energy =
producing technologies -- are beginning to move along far faster than =
was expected several years ago. I suspect, however, that the political =
constraints that might be imposed by existing vested interests in the =
petroleum industry might have some temporary effects on the implimenting =
of these technologies.=20

Particularly, our policies towards oil producing nations in the middle =
east will have to be completely re-evaluated during the next ten years. =
The general economic and industrial implications must also be =
re-considered. From the standpoint of social and political policymaking, =
I suspect that there will be substantial changes in our multinational =
relationships.

AMG

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Abraham Moses=20 Genen
**************************************************************Being=20 dedicated to the future progress of humankind
should be the prime = concern of=20 all civilized beings.=20
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Michael Butler wrote:
 
>Hydrogen economy which generates the hydrogen by = directly or=20 indirectly burning
>fossil fuels, either to generate electricity = or to=20 farm land for fuel crops, is a
>huge net inefficiency. You're just = moving=20 the pollution and fossil fuel use
>around, not reducing it. Solar = and=20 fusion are possibilities, but either one is
>very = capital-intensive and=20 unlikely to pay for itself in a reasonable time. Guess
>what that = leaves?=20 It leaves hypotech (my portmanteau word for = hypothetical
>technology} that=20 reforms fossil fuels at the point of use, then feeds _that_ to = a
>fuel=20 cell. Some people claim to have it. We'll see. "Pure" H2 = technology as=20 a
>significant base for the economy just isn't in the = cards--unless you=20 palm a few.
>MMB
 
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Dear fellow Extropians:
 
It would appear from cumulative evidence provided by the USDOE, the = USDOT=20 and various Asian and European University and industrial research = centers that=20 possibly Michael might be in error.
 
Apparently, most new fuel cell technologies use hydrocarbon fuels = somewhat=20 more efficiently than internal combustion engines and polute = substantially less=20 or not at all. It would also appear that as the technologies develop, = the=20 probable efficiency of hydrogen activated fuel cell systems will = increase=20 substantially.  Methods are also currently being perfected to store = hydrogen fuels simply and efficiently as well.
 
The effects of this technology -- and other alternative fuel and = energy=20 producing technologies -- are beginning to move along far faster than = was=20 expected several years ago. I suspect, however, that the political = constraints=20 that might be imposed by existing vested interests in the petroleum = industry=20 might have some temporary effects on the implimenting of these = technologies.=20
 
Particularly, our policies towards oil producing nations in the = middle east=20 will have to be completely re-evaluated during the next ten years. The = general=20 economic and industrial implications must also be re-considered. From = the=20 standpoint of social and political policymaking, I suspect that there = will be=20 substantial changes in our multinational relationships.
 
AMG
 
 
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