Idle curiosity is the worst possible reason to ask about the most profound
aspects of life.
Stay hungry,
--J. R.
3M TA3
----- Original Message -----
From: <Spudboy100@aol.com>
To: <extropians@extropy.org>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Intelligence in a Box (was Re: Nietzsche (transhumanist
philosopher))
> I wonder why you are concerned with Deiicide(sp) and how it relates to modern
> life? If the concept of God is gone from humanity, do you expect that the
> people who believe will not take up some other nonsense? Will you be safer
> from the missionaries, will sociry be more sensible and humane? Are you
> rebelling against Jesus, Jerry Fallwell, the Buddha, Pagans, whom? All? Just
> curious. Because I wonder where the payoff is?
>
>
> In a message dated 9/1/00 9:55:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fm1@amug.org
> writes:
>
> << To me, the essence of Nietzsche is that he was a destroyer
>  of the boxes within which people are intelligent.
>
>  In his attempt to destroy religious boxes, he said "God is dead!"
>  and got his message onto the cover of Time magazine.
>
>  Many religious people are highly intelligent... within their
>  religious boxes.
>
>  Max Stirner ('The Ego and its Own') was, in my opinion, a
>  more penetrating box-destroyer than Nietzsche. He essentially
>  said, "You need to go beyond killing God, you need to destroy
>  the very notion of "god" (so-called), the very idea of "god"; the
>  word "god" needs to become no more than a nonsense-noise
>  to you."
>
>  Nietzsche also attempted to destroy political boxes:
>  "There are still peoples and herds somewhere, but not with us,
>  my brothers: here there are states.
>  The state? What is that? Well then! Now open your ears, for
>  now I shall speak to you of the death of peoples.
>  The state is the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly it lies, too;
>  and this lie creeps from its mouth; 'I, the state, am the people.'
>  It is a lie! It was creators who created peoples and hung a faith
>  and a love over them: thus they served life.
>  It is destroyers who set snares for many and call it the state:
>  they hang a sword and a hundred desires over them.
>  Where a people still exists, there the people do not understand
>  the state and hate it as the evil eye and sin against custom and
>  law.
>  I offer you this sign: every people speaks its own language of
>  good and evil: its neighbor does not understand this language.
>  It invented this language for itself in custom and law.
>  But the state lies in all languages of good and evil; and whatever
>  it says, it lies -- and whatever it has, it has stolen.
>  Everything about it is false; it bites with stolen teeth. Even its
>  belly is false.
>  Confusion of the language of good and evil; I offer you this sign
>  of the state. Truly, this sign indicates the will to death! Truly,
>  it beckons to the preachers of death!
>  Many too many are born: the state was invented for the
>  superfluous!
>  Just see how it lures them, the many-too-many! How it devours
>  them, and chews them, and re-chews them!
>  ...It would like to range heroes and honorable men about it, this
>  new idol! It likes to sun itself in the sunshine of good consciences
>  -- this cold monster!
>  It will give you everything if you worship it, this new idol: thus it
>  buys for itself the luster of your virtues and the glance of your
>  proud eyes.
>  It wants to use you to lure the many-too-many. Yes, a cunning
>  device of Hell has here been devised, a horse of death jingling
>  with the trappings of divine honors!
>  Yes, a death for many has here been devised that glorifies itself
>  as life: truly a heart-felt service to all preachers of death!
>  I call it the state where everyone, good and bad, is a poison-drinker:
>  the state where everyone, good and bad, loses himself: the state
>  where universal slow suicide is called -- life." [emphasis added]
>   >>
>
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