I may not be being fair to you, but after reading your absolving of Albert
Speer, yes I even read his book; I consider that since you don't accept the
accounts of the historians and journalists that I provided, we have nothing
to talk about, because we don't seem to have a convergent view of what really
happended. I know that the socialists committed mass murder by the tens of
millions-mostly their own people, On the other hand you do what evangelical
protestant do which, when confronted by their own historical accounts by, for
example, medieval christians; they demurr and state, invariably " those were
not really christians" R-i-i-i-ig-g-g-h-h-ht! They were Martians that did the
killing. Capitalist never murder, those were not real capitalists!
Latter Date!
In a message dated 10/2/2000 12:13:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
retroman@turbont.net writes:
<< Sorry, Speer's account has held up quite well to all cross examination.
Apparently you have not read it. Knowing of camp's existence and knowing what
went on inside them are two completely different things, which you
apparently do
not seem to be able to distinguish. Speer did not find out about the goings
on
until late in the war, and did not know how broad the 'final solution' was
carried out until after the war. He has acknowledged that when he found out
about
the production line exections, etc. that his first reaction to his fellow war
prisoners was 'what a waste', because his attitude then was that he needed
those
people to work.
No historian has been able to find documentation at all outside of the SS
that
disclosed any policy of systematic killing, except for that at the top which
involved Hitler.
> AEG pre-existed before the 3rd Reich ever existed, and probably pre-dated
the
> Weimar Republic. The German insurance company, Allianz (alliance) was
afraid
> it would have to pay indemnities to its Jewish clients after Chrystal
Nacht,
> till Hermann Goering reassured Allianz, it would never have to do so. (The
> Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich) By the way, Allianz just payed off some
> indemnities to their former clients just in 1999, LOL!
Its Kristallnacht, BTW. What does it matter that Allianz predates the Weimar
Rep.? That says nothing toward your claims that Nazis were capitalists,
which you
have yet to show any documentation supporting.
> You know I haven't mentioned what the Belgian Minning companies did to the
> Central Africans in the llate 19th century. These guys were capitalists
also.
Sorry, they did what they did under a national charter, with plenipotentiary
police powers, and the central africans were hardly any sort of saints of
democracy or civilization.
> Its a more complicated issue then you seem to acknowledge. Perhaps you or
> Milt Friedman may make a decent case for harnessing capitalism to promote
> ethical behavior as a decent side-effect? But the blood doesn't wash out as
> Shakesphere said much more elloquently; a lot of evil has been done in the
> past. Slavery was capitalistic, albeit a hideously evil, form of it. I
stand
> by my assetions, which might be clarified as "making money is very nice,
> doing evil (we need to define this!) to accomplish it crosses the line"
You come up with a few small minor cases, when the facts are that the Nazis
and
the Soviets, both being socialists, committed hundreds and thousands of times
more crimes against humanity than any capitalist ever did. >>
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