Re: violence...
Joe E. Dees (joedees@bellsouth.net)
Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:28:22 -0500
Date sent: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:34:24 -0400
From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <retroman@turbont.net>
Organization: http://www.lorrey.com http://www.artlocate.com
To: extropians@extropy.com
Subject: Re: violence...
Send reply to: extropians@extropy.com
> "Joe E. Dees" wrote:
> >
> > Date sent: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:06:57 -0400
> > From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <retroman@turbont.net>
> > Organization: http://www.lorrey.com http://www.artlocate.com
> > To: extropians@extropy.com
> > Subject: Re: violence...
> > Send reply to: extropians@extropy.com
> >
> > > "Joe E. Dees" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Date sent: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:27:27 -0400
> > > > From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <retroman@turbont.net>
> > > > Organization: http://www.lorrey.com http://www.artlocate.com
> > > > To: extropians@extropy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: violence...
> > > > Send reply to: extropians@extropy.com
> > > >
> > > > > "Robert J. Bradbury" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Lorrey wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which is why giving citizens the ability to carry their own guns is so
> > > > > > > important. There is no surer or swifter, certain or consistent
> > > > > > > punishment than to be shot by your victim at the scene of the crime. Its
> > > > > > > the only death penalty that works.
> > > > > >
> > > > Mike, this is Joe Dees. I am more than willing to begin our dance
> > > > again if you once again begin to abuse this list as an NRA
> > > > Propaganda tool. Are you prepared for another 1200 email
> > > > exchange, or are you willing to keep your fucking word and take
> > > > this bullshit to the other list for which it was established and in
> > > > which it belongs?
> > >
> > > When did I ever promise to not discuss the subject of violence on the
> > > extropians list on a permanent basis? I did not start this thread, I am
> > > merely responding to unanswered allegations. I did start the exi-freedom
> > > mail list in response to the one month of censoship on the extropians
> > > mail list. The person who was making the discussion previously
> > > unbearable for a number of list members was you and your crass language
> > > and rude personal attacks, as evidenced by your statement above.
> > >
> > > As I have said in the past, despite your lies about my position, that I
> > > feel much as you, but I am not confident in placing in the government's
> > > hands the ability to determine a person's unfitness to carry if they are
> > > not a felon and are not protected by due process. You seem to have a
> > > problem with the NRA, not me, and are trying to paint me as the NRA's
> > > shill, simply because you like to pick fights. It was you who was tossed
> > > from the extropians list for disobeying the restrictions, not me. I
> > > obeyed them and started my own list to function as a conduit of truth
> > > during the interim period of censorship. I found that of the 15 people I
> > > personally asked to subscribe, almost all did, and we gained a number of
> > > others from a general invitation to the list. Since the end of the ban
> > > period, traffic there has died down, but is not non-existent.
> > >
> > > Mike Lorrey
> > >
> > Good. then you can explain there whether or not you want
> > weapons kept out of the hands of those who have been duly
> > certified as mentally deficient or disturbed, and in each case, why,
> > as well as, if you don't trust your government, who else are you
> > going to trust to keep weapons out of the hands of violent felons.
>
> Again, a misrepresentation. And I don't need to go there, since the ban
> on the word gun was over a month after it was instituted. It is also
> clear that you have trouble with reading comprehension, as I clearly
> stated above that it is the governments job to determine if a person is
> a violent criminal. Stop lying.
>
> Mike Lorrey
>
The ban is still in effect. If you continue to violate it, I must insist
that the proper penalties be enforced. You are also being
disingenuous, if not an outright liar, by saying that you are "not the
NRA", when you are in fact a self-avowed member of the
organization, and their most common publicity tactic is to get
members to pose smiling in slig magazine layouts besides the
message "I'm the NRA." You are only once again attempting to
infiltrate your propaganda here because it bores evangelists to
preach to the choir. Well, your NRA shill song-and-dance is not
welcome here, so do most everyone else here a huge favor and can
it forthwith, or do most everyone else here a huger favor and keep it
up until you get your ass booted; it's all the same to me.